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Stand up or tolerate?


I set boundaries about 4 days ago with parents after more abusive emails. I have not returned emails. I feel it wounds my spirit to be treated like that by anyone and my entire family has had no respect for me for years. All the family dysfunction was put on my shoulders when I was 12 so others wouldn't have to look at themselves. I have carried that into all my other adult relationships and have no ability to be courageous or strong.

My parents and I have the cycle of emotional abuse. When their anxieties build up or anytime they have the chance they screw around with my head and I am left angry and hurt. Days go by and they contact me again like nothing ever happened and I "forgive and forget" and there is a honeymoon period. Then it happens all over again. Insanity. For 35 years. And I attract abuse from others in the world because of this. I am constanlty on guard because I give off silent messages saying it's ok to abuse me.

Last night I received a voice mail from my father saying that after all they've done for me I shouldn't make them worry by not answering them. His "chief concern" is knowing I am safe and he insists I call or email him or he will "have to take further action."

I am almost 50 years old and have been through the steps. It is time I take care of myself and pull away from their insanity and live the life God wants me to, and become who I can be so I can help others. I can absolutely take care of myself, and need to!

Do I send my father a brief email? Something like, "I'm taking care of myself. There's no need to worry. Take Care. Love, Susan" or do I not respond at all since he will probably keep baiting me every so often? I am absolutely not going to Christmas this year, I can't. My only sibling is a rejecting, selfish guy towards me too so this year is my "haitus", "take care of myself" year. I'm sure my father will guilt-bait me about that too.

Isn't it just time to stop all contact - to stand up to my parents - or not?

Thanks

 

PS I have a tendency to try to save people. I have read that when we do that it is because we are saving someone else (my family) is it time I stop putting my hand in front of God's hand and let my parents fall to wherever they need to be, or can I kill them by not being involved with them?



-- Edited by WorkingThroughIt on Tuesday 11th of December 2012 07:41:39 AM

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WORKING THROUGH IT
 
 
FAMILY DYNAMICS ARE VERY INVOLVED AND LIKE A HUGE KNOT, RELATIONSHIPS START AT A VERY EARLY AGE AND CAN BECOME DESTRUCTIVE AND NEGATIVE OVER TIME.
 
 
YOUR PARENTS ARE NO DOUBT CONCERNED OVER YOUR WELL BEING AND SAY SO.  HOW THEY EXPRESS THAT CONCERN IS OFTEN PAINFUL TO YOU.   SINCE YOU ARE UNABLE TO WORK AT THIS TIME AND YOUR DAD PAYS THE RENT --- HIS CONCERN SEEMS JUSTIFIED.
 
 
I KNOW YOU ARE IN AA AND HAVE WORKED THE STEPS. I SUGGEST THAT YOU DISCUSS THE ENTIRE SITUATION WITH YOUR SPONSOR AND DECIDE THE BEST COARSE OF ACTION.
 
 
GOOD LUCK


-- Edited by hotrod on Tuesday 11th of December 2012 03:23:23 PM

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Usually when problems are so complex, it takes some time (meetings, study, etc.) to make some headway in discovering what actions are right for us.  And I know that feeling of "The old ways didn't work so well, but what are the new ways?" 

One thing that was very helpful to me when I was starting to figure things out was to read about family dynamics and what they call "family systems theory."  It just means that things happen in a dynamic, not just one person at a time.  (It sounds obvious now, but it was a revelation to me then.) 

I also know that I was at sea about what was right and what was inadvisable.  So I'll comment a little about what I found out, with the proviso that of course you are the only one who knows your situation well.

My first reaction when I figured out how dysfunctional my mother was, was to cut her off.  We had an intense relationship, full of blame (some of it justified), anger, unfulfilled expectations, and pain.  But I read in these books that cutting someone off is just another version of intensity.  It escalates the anger, pain, blame, etc.  And I looked back and saw that in my family, there were all kinds of instances of people cutting off other sides of the family.  It was our family way of dealing with anger.  But it just led to more intensity somewhere down the line.  (I am laughing as I'm writing this, because I'm writing from a family member's house that cut us off many years ago, and then we cut them off ... etc. etc. ... but then I got back in touch years ago and right now I'm a happy guest here!  If that isn't a reward for me, I don't know what is, and I hadn't thought of it that way, so thanks! smile)

Instead this way of thought suggests that we de-escalate the intensity by learning subtler skills, such as not taking the bait, setting loving boundaries, cultivating our own serenity -- the skills that Al-Anon helps us with anyway.

I can see that your father's demands may well have some controlling features in them -- "Answer me right now or else!"  Also it is natural for him to be worried about a daughter.  I think maybe in your shoes I'd say, "I'm here, Father, and I'm fine, don't worry if you don't hear from me much for a while -- I'm taking some time to get clear about some things, but thanks for checking on me, no worries!"  Of course he may well then launch into a big tirade about your faults, but as my therapist used to say, "So many chances to practice your health behavior!"  Like, "this is hard for me to hear, so I'm going to sign off now, talk to ya later, bye." 

If he is contributing to your support, also, I think that means that you have to keep in touch, don't you?  But there are new ways to deal with controlling, blaming people.  They're not learned overnight but they're there and they're powerful.  I hope you'll keep coming back.



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God brought me the opportunity for an excellent job and I'm bringing my resume today. For me, the crazy cycle has stopped me from sleeping so setting boundaries is necessary FIRST so I CAN work. When we are being abused and controlled by others, it saps the energy out of us and we look for abuse in other places. This does not work for me.

I will begin paying my own rent, parts of it at first, then the whole thing within the next year.

These boundaries are necessary to help push me to do that.

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Hi Mattie, This spoke to me: "...by learning subtler skills, such as not taking the bait, setting loving boundaries, cultivating our own serenity..." because it has occured to me that when I do get back in touch with them they'll only do it more so I might as well tolerate but ALSO set boundaries. YES! THIS IS IT!

And thank you for giving me some actual wording.

It has occured to me to do exactly what you said. My response to him will be in a card, not on email or phone. I will also send him 1/3 of my coming month's rent and let him know I intend to continue that until I can pay it in full.

Blessings.

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And by the way, I'll show up if I have to (if God says I should in prayer) but I do feel like spending Christmas this year with others and I can do that. It does not feel right to go with them this year. I can do service with my other families instead (AA, Alanon)

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We can't change other people. We have to accept who they are, or choose not to have them in our lives. It rarely works to have them partially in our lives. You currently still have your dad partially in your life if he's paying rent. I am also a child who has accepted monetary help from a parent - and I accept the strings go with it. My parents are very giving people but they expect accountability. If I take money from my dad, he wants to know it's being used well. If my dad were paying my rent and I cut off contact - he'd quit paying rent and have the right to do so.

For myself as has been said before, I'd rather live in a one room loft with a roommate on welfare than be subject to contact with someone who mistreats me. Were I in your situation I'd do as you are, work hard to get out from under it but also recognize I'm getting free money so I probably better let him know I'm OK so he doesn't cut off the rent and leave me homeless.

To accept monetary assistance under duress is something I do to myself, not something done to me. To give monetary help to someone in order to maintain control is done purely for the control. Someone has to end it or everyone has to accept it.

I sent my dad a budget every month for 2 years while he paid for half of my kids daycare. I did this because I needed his help, not because I liked it. In fact it felt horribly vulnerable and humiliating but I would be out of a job and homeless if not for his help. I felt it best to comply and not complain about it. And it motivated me to get my degree quickly. Motivation is something I love and use no matter how ugly it looks!

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