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My husband has been in AA for over 2 months now, but I feel like our relationship is worse than ever. He says he is doing everything he is supposed to be doing for himself, his sobriety and the family, I see someone who can barely get dressed or shower each day. He has taken on huge projects all over the house and leaves them half finished for days. He is spending money on random unnecessary things for the house. I try to gently ask him what is going on and he takes it as an attack and starts lecturing me about AA, the triangle, his life is a straight path...I have no idea what he is talking about. He makes elaborate plans with the children and never follows through. He disappears for hours each night, won't eat dinner with the family and stays up all night watching tv. I feel more alone than ever.
Is this something that is part of the process? Do I just have to tiptoe around him for a while? The big book says to avoid critizing because people in recovery are so fragile, but I'm just trying to live real life here. He seems to think I am being selfish but I can't beleive that he can even see himself as the victim after all the hell he put us through.
I am trying to go to AL Anon every week but I guess it's not enough. I am just so resentful and distrustful. Please help.
Dear Suzanne, here is what I found out for myself for my own recovery. I don't need to tiptoe around anybody when i set up boundaries for myself and try to stick to it. Actually I need to be really strong and frirm around my boundaries and take them more seriously than anybody else. I realized it's not only my A's recovery, he is not the only one needing change for his life...i need it too. Because we are all connected, and truth is, this disease affected and still is affecting us all. I felt a little overwhelmed when i realized that, because it seemed too much work, it seemed unfair and I couldn't see my shortcomings or my disfunctional reactions to the disease. We are all 'victims' as long as we choose to be. The good news was, that I also noticed, the day I chose nmot to be a victim anymore, that day i started seeing hope for myself. It had to start with me. If I want things to change, I need to start with me....in fact this is the only place where I can actively change things. Other people and other peopl's behaviours are out of my hand. In this sense I am allowed , even requested to be selfish..in the way of taking care of MYSELF. I am not the one who is allowed to judge my partner or other people around me. I did many things wrong myself, in the sense that I was judgemental, controlling, enabling...etc... I didn't know better. After more time in AlAnon, after many more sharing and researching and listening, I am learning more and more, and I see my part in the story. Taking a step back from it alll, starting to focus on me and my actions and reactions, trying to change my behaviour around the disease, and ttrying to detach from it...that is what helps me to get the peace back into my life, and the serenity to cmes with it.
I also noticed, that my A chooses his own way of recovery..it's his. and I am happy for him, because he is trying. He will find out what works and what dosn't , what he looses and what he gains. It's his choice, it's his responsibility... he also realized there is nobody else to blame, if nobody else takes the responsibility or tries to tell him what to do anymore.
Yes, there is lots of work to do when we are trying to change...but that's why it is better to go with 'one day at a time'.
And before I trust my A, or any other person around me for that matter...I need to trust in me...every morning anew.
Come back and listen and share and ask and vent...anything that YOU need for YOUR recovery. everyday there is something we can learn, if we choose to.
Wishing you a good day, and the courage to change.
Is this something that is part of the process? Do I just have to tiptoe around him for a while?.........................
Of course you are resentful and distrustful. Look at what happened to your life. I learned in AlAnon (and this is something I had lost while living with an active drinker that put all responsibility on me while telling me just the opposite) that I had to live in reality and truth. I couldn't live in that fantasyland of denial thinking that what was happening wasn't happening. I had to live in truth. And then I had to learn that feelings were feelings, not necessarily the truth. You don't have to walk on eggshells unless you want to. You don't have to be his cheerleader. (that is what my hubby wanted when he got in AA. More and more positive reinforcement, ad nauseum.)
You actually don't have to do anything about his recovery. HE HAS TO DO HIS RECOVERY. You just have to do your own life. It is very freeing for you.
As for your boundaries... you do them for you. You do not have to discuss them because they are for you. And you are allowed to change your boundaries. You can change your mind, too.
Take care of yourself. Just live your own life, not someone else's life. If they can't handle it, then that is something that will have to be handled by them. Keep your side of the street clean. Get happy. I always say that the best revenge is a happy life.
AA, the triangle, his life is a straight path .. When an alcoholic begins AA i believe they say it takes a couple years for them to get a grip on sobriety and another year to get their head on straight (I am not an AAer so going on what I've heard) .. the triangle he speaks of is the symbol of the steps .. Referencing it, I believe it's Higher Power at the top, ourselves second, then family, then work .. the last 2 may be out of order .. Sounds like he is only just trying to understand it himself which is probably why he's having a hard time relaying it .. if he's not drinking, there may also be issues rising to the surface the drinking was preventing him from seeing .. the alcholic drinks to not feel .. it's a viscious cycle .. trying to control the situation, force, etc .. can sometimes increase even their need or desire to drink .. we end up doing more damage than harm .. been there ..
I don't know about anyone else, but I know anything less than 3 meetings a week wasn't cutting it for me .. at least 2 .. when i go and share i need to remember to keep the focus on me . absolutely ok to express the situation and how i'm feeling about it .. but i begin my sharing on my anxiety or how i feel i'm supposed to be the one to save him, i love him, and i'm feeling helpless because he's my husband so .. shouldn't my love be enough to save him ??
well i don't know if that's how it is for you, but that's what i was feeling when i first went .. give it time and try to share openly, honestly, and willingly .. Sponsors make a ton of difference .. especially if you can find one with a spiritual recovery .. literature helps too .. another helpful idea is to find out if there are any speaker meetings with AAers sharing their stories around you; maybe even by calling aa or asking in alanon .. it might help with the understanding process .. i know by me there are quite a few .. in fact, i just went to one tonight .. sometimes we hear what our loved ones can't tell us ..
at any rate, if he really is going to aa meetings faithfully as he says, i would focus on me and give him some time to work on him .. things don't happen overnight but they can change through the 12 steps if we are willing to embrace and work them .. prayers going up for you both tonight ..
adding that my share isn't advice, merely suggestive .. i do wish you some extra serenity and clear decision making abilities .. !! keep coming back and sharing ..
The only thing that ever really helped me when things in my life were feeling chaotic was to get to more frequent meetings and to keep in closer contact with my sponsor above and beyond our regularly planned phone calls.
I echo MeTwo2 - my sponsor gave me these guidelines regarding meeting attendance:
Need to go to regular meetings. Have a Home Group - a meeting you make every effort to attend, rain or shine. More than one meeting a week is recommended. Two meetings a week is for maintenance, three or more are if you want growth and change.
The A in your life is an infant in recovery. Sad to say, but his behaviors sound pretty par for the course. He doesn't have his booze to go to any longer to deal with his feelings so he's pretty freaked out right now and is busying himself with tons of tasks and trying to find other ways to deal with his emotions without using alcohol. He quotes AA a lot because right now that's his only life-raft he sees at the time.
I don't know that I agree with tip-toeing around the recovering alcoholic. If they want to learn how to deal with life on life's terms without booze, that also means they need to learn to deal with their broken relationships. However, a newly recovering alcoholic really doesn't have the mental maturity to handle "adult" problems with much grace. It's pretty beyond them. So, just keep that in mind if you feel you need to speak up. I really hate comparing the alcoholic to a child - I don't want to be condescending in any way - but really, they ARE like a child where emotional capacity is concerned. Like most adults have to do with their children, you have to set down your boundaries and then do your best to ignore the tantrum that follows as they learn to cope with respecting your boundaries.
Overall, however, the best knowledge I have is just to keep getting to meetings, meetings and more meetings. If anything, for me, my being out of the house helped maintain some serenity for me. I didn't have to be around the craziness that way.
SuzanneSC Does he have a sponser? Is he working the 12 steps? Is he getting to a meeting everyday? Is he calling people on a daily Basis to check in on how he is feeling whether good or bad? Has he asked GOD or a higher power for help? These are important things a recovering alcoholic must do if he is going to stay sober, get better and live life on lifes terms.
He is actually in a psych ward now - he was committed this week after an insane shopping binge (3000 dollars at Target) for stuff he claimed was for his new business, for his charity and for friends in AA who need jobs right now. Came home and set up a shrine in the living room, starting sorting valuables to hide from all the reporters he claimed were coming to the house to interview him for his charity work, on and on and on. I tried arguing with him, then calming him down, it ended after he said he was divorcing me and leaving, but he just stood in the hall shouting insanity. I called 911 and they dragged him away in handcuffs. Anyway, he may be diagnosed as bi polar now. I don't think this is about recovery anymore, I think he is mentally ill. I am not sure that I can live with this and I sure as hell can't let the kids see anything like this ever again.
I can't believe this is our life. I am so terrified right now.
I am so very sorry that your husbands's illness has manifested itself in such an alarming fashion. He is now in a safe place and I know that you need support as well.
Please search out as many alanon meetings as are available and attend. The breaking of isolation and sharing, with others who understand as few others can, is very beneficial to your recovery.Use the alanon tools of keeping the focus on yourself, living one day at a time, and prayers for guidance.
How do you live with someone you don't trust but expects to be trusted? How do you manage everyday life (please pick up the groceries instead of shopping at Target, please meet me back at the house when you say you will, not 3 hours later) with someone who doesn't see how their actions effect everyone around them? If he wasn't part of our family it would be easier, but he is here in my face every day!