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This question comes up a lot. It reminds me of my alcoholic husband.... comparing himself to his friends and believing they were the ones with the bigger problem than he, which only gave him the permission to continue doing what he was doing. justifying, rationalizing, defending his disease.
The "right" answer is you can drink. of course you can. Everyone has the right to live their life as they choose, including the alcoholic. But none of us here on the internet know you. At best, we can only assume you are being honest but to take your word and be in friendly agreement with you is people-pleasing and perhaps even enabling, how can we know? To me, some things are best left to our real-life sponsors who know us. so you may consider that instead. I have been profoundly affected by the disease of alcoholism so I don't even understand the desire for alcohol anymore.
For me, personally, it is hypocritical to expect someone should NOT drink, while I continue. We put ourselves in the arrogant position of the Director, lining up the scenes as we see fit...
"BE the change you want to see." when I match the frequency of the reality I want, I am more likely to get it. I want serenity. It does not come in a bottle.
-- Edited by glad lee on Friday 2nd of November 2012 06:17:03 AM
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So my AW relapsed two nights ago. Program worked for about half of the situation. I was able to rein in my actions, no belittleing no berating no isolation or coldness. That was the good part, the emotions not so good. In any case I have chose not to drink, in support of her recovery. So I haven't drank in a month. she has ofcourse. On to my situation. I like drinking!!! I enjoy cocktails and I love beer, especially micro brew and foriegn beers, (lived in Germany for four years). Well next week I'm going out of town on business and my co-workers and I allways go out to a pub or nice steakhouse for dinner after work. We all usually drink. My problem is I don't know how I feel about it. I want to drink but I have this deep distain for alcohol right now. Do I change my behavior cuz of hers? Or do I just do what I enjoy doing? Is it healthy for me to have these confusing thoughts? On one hand I feel like her disease is controling my actions, then on the otherhand I feel like If I drink I'm not giving her the support she needs.
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No, you don't change your behaviors for her unless it feels right FOR YOU! I enjoy a glass of wine sometimes and yes, sometimes I feel that same disdain for alcohol. If you don't want a beer, don't have one. It's as simple as that. I currently don't drink in front of my AH because the subject is too contentious between us right now. I will have a glass when out with friends or at a wine tasting and sometimes I have 1 glass at home with dinner while he's away traveling. I'm not a big drinker and usually only have 1 of whatever I'm drinking. I'm scared to death of driving under the influence, always have been since I was in high school. When I was in college, my sorority sisters made me the designated driver on a regular basis because I hated being drunk so I would stop after 2 beers or 1 cocktail.
Anyway, my point is that you need to do what you want for you. Can you talk to your wife about your own drinking? Does she admit it's a problem for her? I can't remember the details of your story with her at this point, but some alcoholics understand that they have the problem, not you. I am not at that point in my marriage, though, where I can do that.
I removed all sign of alcohol out of the house. I never drank in the presence of my AW. I asked my AW what I should tell our friends when they offer something to drink.
There has never been any consistency from my AW as to what to say or do in social situations. I think she has not worked this out in her head. I think she is concerned about what people might perceive. Instead of resolve, each instance produces discomfort in her and myself.
After all this hand wringing, I have concluded that I can not be in this dilemma any longer. I am just going to be myself. If my AW every decides to take responsibility for her life, I can make adjustments. But until that time comes, I will try to have as normal a life a possible.
The way I see it, you shouldn't have to change your whole life around just in an attempt to keep the A sober. Because we all know that doesn't work. But if your experience with alcohol has left you newly alert to the powers and dangers of it, your perspective on drinking might naturally be different. You might be warier of carefree drinking and getting drunk. A lot of people are not wary, and some of them are fine, but some of them fall into the clutches of alcoholism. When I'm out with a group of people and everyone's drinking, I notice things I didn't notice before. The guy in the corner who keeps ordering after everyone has stopped, or the guy who says "I loaded up ahead of time so I can start happy!" Before, I wouldn't have given them a second thought. But now I think, "They're walking mighty close to the danger zone there." Maybe they're already in it. It's like that movie "The Matrix" -- once you have the extra knowledge, you can't go back to being ignorant again. What you do with that knowledge depends on so many factors. But I think that while you wouldn't want to live your life just by what your A does, you can make decisions for you based on having the larger perspective.
I totally understand the disdain for alcohol. I've been going through the same issues, I too choose not to drink. I have opted however when not near the alcoholic to enjoy a single drink or even two on occasion as moderation is very easy for me. I am trying to recognize that I can still support my A and not drink in his presence but have a drink when away.
What I also believe is that the alcohol isn't the target of our frustration, the disease is. We don't have the disease. In addition, I do not need to justify my choices as an adult to others. And many, many times even when the A is not there I have turned down drinks because I just wasn't in the mood and to be honest I don't drink more than 3 times a year anyway.
I just love the discussion when it comes to this as I filter it thru my own experiences as an drinker; alcoholic; child growing up with both sides of the family altered by drugs and alcohol; as a spouse of an alcoholic/addict, as a behavioral health therapist working in a multi-level rehab both in and out patient and as a counselor in the CA school districts and of course here.
Simply put for me alcohol isn't a food source...it is a conjured up mind and mood and behavior alterer which is soooo powerful that is is described as a solvent, anesthetic, synergistic chemical carrier (it's used with other chemicals to increase the effect of them and itself); it has powers even the alcohol industry will not publically advertise.
Best caveat that was ever given to me (after I was sober for years) came from another sober member of the program who decided to tell me an event he was at with his family one sunday after church. It was a birthday party he was dreading going to because his family drank...like always...and even remembered his old brew of choice...he knew he was gonna be hand it at the door and for weeks he just dreaded going however it was a respected older family members party. He let go of worrying about it and turned it over to his HP and kept on keeping on. He had been sober for years by this time and the party date came due. Sure enough he went with his son and daughter and just as sure enough there was his cousin standing at the open front door with his old brew of choice in his hand. "Here you go Mike...just like you like it" the cousin said to which Mike responded...."No thanks I've had enough". I was just as astounded at what he told me as he was astounded that the words came up on his lips without thought.
"No thanks I've had enough" I didn't say when I stopped drinking and I can't remember when I stopped. I do remember my attitude thought though when It happened...I was just soooo tired of having much of my major life center around booze...no matter what I called it and all of the troubles that came with it on all levels, physical health, mental and emotional health, marriages, jobs, finances, life choices. It affected every part of me and then I learned in college that that is what it does affects everything it comes in contact with. I am powerless and I'm done..."No thanks I've had enough"...Mahalo Nui Michael...where ever you're at.
I am a sober alcoholic and I have never "needed" any partner or person I dated to stop drinking for me. It may be reasonable to not have alcohol in the house for her to be tempted, but other than that...I wouldn't worry. We live in a world with alcohol present all over the place. You can't shield her from it. It's not your fault she is relapsing in any way. When I wanted to get sober, nothing was going to stop me because I wanted it that bad.
As others have said, this subject has come up on the board many times, and the answer is different for everyone. For me, I stopped drinking entirely about 18 months ago. Partly because I wanted my children to ALWAYS have someone around who was NEVER under the influence. Partly because I was never a big drinker, and it was never important to me. Partly because my AH would often say "it's OK for you to have a margarita, but I can't have a beer?!?" and I just didn't want that drama disrupting my serenity. I don't miss it at all. If my AH and I split up, I plan to continue to not drink. It's just not important to me. But that's just me.
hi gyzer. like everyones saying its not your fault that your AW is the way she is ... its her problem and ive heard that from so many recovering A's, just try and not get to obsessed with your AW as thats the way that you get sick just as she is obsessed with the drink.... easier said than done i know but ive been in the exact same situation. you have to think about yourself and practice detatchment. its a tough order but you have a life too and if your AW chooses that path its nothing to do with you .... dont feel guilty about her problem and start thinking about yourself!!
Hi, I happen to like margueritas. I am not the alcoholic in my family. My alcoholic liked Southern Comfort manhattans. If I kept Southern Comfort in the house for my use I would feel very guilty. But I know I did not cause his alcoholism and I can't control or cure him. With that same logic I don't have cause, control or cure for his sobriety either. And I refuse to accept the responsibility for it. It is not mine. I keep MY side of the street clean. He has the choice to do the same.
If you like beer, then enjoy your beer. You certainly have the knowledge to know if alcohol is a problem for you or if it causes problems in your life. Alcoholism is a disease that affects relationships, not just drinking alcohol. My SIL is also a micro-brew beer lover. I have brought him chocolate beer and coffee beer.
I like margueritas but I hate what they do to my brain. I get sleepy and can't think. I hate that feeling.