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Today's topic in the book One Day at a Time in Al-Anon is about courtesy. To quote the passage: "The warmth and kidness of courtesy will take the sting out fo the resentments, and give dignity and importance to the members of my household, making them feel secure and loved."
Today I had a phone therapy session with my AB and his rehab facility therapists. I was shown absolutely NO courtesy at all that I finally caved, got a sponsor who knows I'm not part of the al-anon community willingly, and have compromised my wishes simply because I AM trying to make this work. Instead I have been badgered into the fact that I did not leave work and show up the session in person as my AB wanted, instead I called in (am I the only one who has a job because they need to pay bills??). Not once his what is suppose to be "our therapists" step in when he flat out said he is unwilling to compromise on anything he wants.
I am truely starting to think that everyone involved in Al-Anon are a bunch of hypocrits. Please prove me wrong.
I am not understanding how you came to your conclusion that everyone involved in Al-anon are hypocrits? I have found for the majority of us are a very loving and supportive group in every meeting I have attended in a year and a halves time and have learned so incredibly much from each and everyone of them. Don't confuse therapy with you going to Al-anon face to face meetings. I hope you can find local meetings that can help you in your recovery. Sending you love and support!
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" Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional."
"Serenity is when your body and mind are in the same place."
Aloha Lalu...read your post and kinda sorta got the image that your ticked because you are attending Al-Anon unwillingly? I did that when I first got into program and ended up with the same attitude and response you have posted here. No hypocrites just an uninterested visitor ticked that my alcoholic/addict wife was causing me to attend "those meetings" where I hated who was there and what they talked about. I wasn't ready and I wasn't ready to acknowledge that she was alcoholic/addict and so down the road when she wanted to drink and use again and needed someone to tell here she wasn't alcoholic/addict she came to me and I told her so and she started out on another 3+ year run and what was left of our live went to hell in a handbasket. I didn't know alcoholism and/or addiction from the man in the moon and just wanted to say "NO!!" you're all so very screwed up people..leave me the hell alone. They did and months later I got back into the program utterly insane and willing to reach out for help. That's my story.
There is a phrase which is spoken in the closing of each of our face to face meetings...it saved my life and says in part "...if you keep and open mind.....you will find help." First promise that came true for me.
Hope things go better for you. The disease can make a person feel very set upon, angry and defensive.
Keep coming back cause this works when you work it. ((((hugs))))
I have had horrible in-person meetings. Creepy men come up to me after the meeting and tell me they'll be my sponsor. The women leer at me and ask why I haven't left him yet. I actually watch in my rear view mirror to make sure I'm not followed home. I have tried so many meetings in different locations in the San Diego area. I changed my story at each location trying to find a sponsor. I finally found one that agreed, but we have nothing in common but she is my only choice. I read the posts here and all I want to know is where at the people on this board located?? Why do they have such nice things to say about Al-Anon, but I can't seem to find these people in real life?? How can a rehab facility who says "we believe Al-Anon supports our beliefs" yet allow him to bully me without once trying to step in??
All I have for you for an answer is about your A is no one can change him except him as far as the bullying thing goes, until he is ready and or hits his bottom. I hope you keep coming back here and soak in the love and support MIP has to offer you, we are a loving family group here for sure. Try to find and read lots of Al-anon literature and work the steps with your sponsor and practice self care/love in the meantime. A great book I recommend is "Getting Them Sober" by Toby Rice Drews. Sending you lots of love and support!
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" Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional."
"Serenity is when your body and mind are in the same place."
He's been sober for a year. That is the problem - he's become so self-righteous with is AA, church and rehab that he won't even go to the bathroom unless they say it's okay. He has cut himself off from all of his sober friends (although he continues to try to "save" his drunk/drugged up friends - not that he'd tell his rehab therapists they still call him at all hours of the nite), family, and anyone that is not part of these three groups. I have continued to live my life without him and actually have a really good life with the exception of this. I believe that life comes down to four areas: friends, family, work and love. The only area I'm having trouble with is the love. We have the love, just nothing else. It's not enough for me. Those I know that are in AA and done their 12 steps, they all tell me to wait it out while he finishes the extreme part of the program, but this rehab program is so to the extreme itself that I have no idea how to deal with them. Anyone in Al-Anon I meet in person just call me co-dependent and tell me to walk away from him. So should I really just walk away from this situation?
Welcome I'm glad you decided to post here for some feedback before giving up on this program. You have a right to be concerned about what you are seeing and hearing. You'll find people who are practicing the program in the rooms and those who have another agenda for being there. Great that you found a sponsor and great that you have the awareness not to let "a creepy guy" be your sponsor. There really are many recovering people who have their head on straight in Alanon but like anywhere else you'll find people in different states of well-being.
As far as your AB's immersion into AA, religion etc, you make a good point, you have a right to be a priority in his life too. I think I understand where you're coming from and you can correct me if I'm wrong. You aren't looking to be his life but you would like to share in it and vise versa. Somewhere communication has broken down between the two of you. I'm not gathering from your post that you're behaving in a codependent way although many of us have those traits, myself included. I'm sorry if someone in the rooms chose to label you, that was inappropriate in my humble opinion. I hope you'll keep coming back and become a member of our online Alanon group here. You can attend meetings here too. I found I learned so much about the disease of alcoholism and its effects on family through this board and meetings here. I am very grateful to be a part of this fellowship.
Sometimes doing some readingg in the first three steps helps me get my serenity back when I feel I'm losing it. I hope that suggestion is helpful. Thanks for your share. TT
-- Edited by tiredtonite on Friday 8th of June 2012 07:22:52 AM
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I am surprised to hear that Al-Anoners are telling you to walk away. One of the principles of Al-Anon is that we must all find out own way forward and that that way will be different in every situation, so we should not give advice. Sometimes advice slips out, but my experience is that that happens very rarely. I know that some meetings are better than others. The first meetings I went to weren't very inspiring -- one was very dull and almost nothing happened, one was totally disorganized, etc. -- so although I didn't have the experience of being told what to do, I started out by giving up on Al-Anon until my life became unmanageable and I came on back.
So it's hard to tell what's happening with the meetings you've gone to. You could have hit a series of bad meetings. You could be misunderstanding what the people are saying -- we've all had that happen. It could be that your understandable resentment about the situation has led to a focus on the less helpful parts of the meetings. Could be all of the above or none of the above.
You might want to look at the books Codependent No More and Getting Them Sober. Those have the same approach as Al-Anon. If you can see how those works, you'll get an idea for what the real Al-Anon approach is.
It sounds as if the sponsor you've found isn't such a good match, but if she's a good person (though not a perfect match), she might be able to give some suggestions on how to find the kind of thing in Al-Anon that might really be useful to your situation.
Mattie - I think that's why I've been so fustrated. Isn't the entire point of Al-Anon is to not give advice or judge? So why is it that everyone who only knows my qualifier is my boyfriend tells me I'm just co-dependent and should get out??
Stepping onto a brand-new path is difficult, but not more difficult than remaining in a situation, which is not nurturing to the whole woman.- Maya Angelo
I have never experienced any of those negatives at meetings, so don't know how to relate to that, other than my story is similar to what Jerry said - when I first went to Al-Anon, I hated it, thought the people were all wacko, and I went away for over a year, and my life/serenity became even more unmanageable..... when I went back the second time, I found the meetings/people to be loving/supporting/uplifting - funny thing is, they were the same people!!
One thing about sponsorship - you may have to practice some patience with that whole thing.... Having a sponsor is a wonderful aid to your recovery, but the selection of one should really be a unique and personal choice - try finding someone whom you really find you relate to, and see if they will sponsor you... this may take a half dozen meetings (or more)....
Take care
Tom
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I just wanted to add that often counseling is really geared toward the "paying customer", who is the alcoholic. I commend you for not leaving your job to run to the side of the person who is bullying you and give him comfort. Actually it is his job to learn how to comfort you. I hope his counselors will teach him that, but don't hold your breath. It is so much easier to blame you.
You said they are a "{rehab facility who says "we believe Al-Anon supports our beliefs"}". I find that interesting that they believe AlAnon supports them....but they don't say that they support AlAnon. I think they are proving to you that they don't. AlAnon doesn't support bullies, and I have found that the alcoholics that I have met are bullies until they truly embrace ALL of the steps of AA.... and get into AlAnon themselves and become dual members.
When I came to AlAnon I found that I grew a backbone. I was unwilling to cave any more to have this mystical relationship with the hubby. I relearned that a relationship is a two way street. I can only be responsible for me.
One major function of all 12 step programs is learn to stop trying to control things you cannot control and also to learn to accept things you cannot change. You cannot change or control that he is in this rehab. That is his choice. You cannot change or control how recovery is shaping him and how he acts pertaining his recovery. I hear you doing a lot of complaining about how he is acting and the way he and his counselors behave surrounding recovery. It does sound sort of cultish and for those who are end of the line alcoholics, it kind of needs to be that way. AA is his only life line once he leaves that place. He has to be able to live an AA lifestyle and it will help him if his significant other understands the 12 steps and wants to take that journey with him. More so, it will help to not get angry at the choices that are HIS to make regarding his program. Getting angry at the treatment center is so futile. It's his program and his choices. You can accept it or walk away. Nobody can bully you unless you let them. Viewing them as bullies and viewing him as changing into something you would like to control and change back sets you up as a victim and it diverts your attention away from your own health. Alanon is a good recommendation because you cannot change him, his program, or the treatment center he's in. You can only change you.
From my experience, I can only say my life got lots better when I stopped being victim to someone else's choices, someone else's circumstances, and other situations that I was totally powerless over. That is the gem that alanon has to offer you. That serenity is so simple but so elusive to many people. Do you feel serene now? Would you like to?
If you go in with a bad attitude or feeling resentful it will not help. That is the same as alcoholics being court ordered to AA. All it will do is let you know where to go when you really are ready.
I recognize this is not what you gambled for in dating your bf. I do empathize and it's a rough situation. I pray you get answers and some serenity from your own higher power.