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professional interventionist??


I have been married 15 years, together almost 20, three kids ages 6,6, and 11.  My husband is what I guess you call a functioning alcoholic.  He is a professional (although currently laid off which is what is probobly led to this crisis), responsible and most of the time a great father.  In any social situiation that involves alchohol he will get drunk and usually quickly.   Once my husband drinks he just doesnt stop until he passes out.  So weddings, family parties, vacations are stressful.  During the week he drinks about 30-40 beers.  He has had two DUI's.  Over the past year or two he has become increasingly paranoid, thinking people are trying to screw with him, at work, in town.  He covers up the web cam on the computer because he thinks people can see you, stopped using a smart phone because he feels he is being tracked.  Feels people come into the house when we arent home.  He also only has one emotion...anger and rage.  I have never seen my husband cry.  He has been verbally abusive to me for many many years.  The boiling point was that we recently went on vacation (drove to florida to save money as he is unemployed) and he drank every day excessively, on the last day we where there he flew into a rage in the hotel room over some stupid fight the kids were having and physically shoved me into my 6yr old knocking us both to the ground.  he then left, got on a plane and flew home leaving me to drive 1400 miles home with distraught children by myself. I am now truly afraid of him, he is just so unstable.   I got home Sunday night and yesterday I asked him to leave and go to his parents.  He first blamed me for everything but when I got home from work he left a note for me and the kids apologizing (this is HUGE for him) and then he called me to tell me he truly loved me and apologized again, asking when he can come home.  I told him I need time.  His sister wants me to hire a professional interventionist ($6500) to get him to go to rehab.  I want him to go to rehab but know he will be extremely resistant to the idea.  He hates all doctors (part of his paranoia issue) and I dont think a stranger will be able to do anymore than me and his family getting together and telling him he has to go.  I know he will agree to stop drinking and he has amazing will power, but he has to deal with the rage and paranoia.  I am so confused what to do.  Sorry for the ramble.  Does anyone have advice?  I am going over to his parents house tonight to have dinner with the kids.  He has wonderful supportive parents and I feel safe there.  I have trouble with confrontation obviously and I think this sneak attack of a professional intervention is going to work into his paranoia.  Sorry for the ramble, just so stressed!!!!



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I have no advice about the interventionist but I just wanted to encourage you to find an Al Anon meeting in your area. My own AH is paranoid about doctors and doesn't trust anyone. For a while I thought he had a personality disorder, this was before he started drinking again 18 months ago. I am in a similar situation, my AH just quit drinking but his rage, anger,and anxiety issues will need to be dealt with. Right now, he's just plain old depressed from getting his first DUI and it's not a pretty picture at our house. I am sorry that you are suffering and having him stay at his parents is probably a good idea for now as it will give you some time to figure out what you really want to do, where to find help for youself and your kids, etc. Al Anon is a wonderful place to start. Sending you lots of support today!

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I'm so sorry you're going through this, and I'm glad you have found us.  I hope you'll find a face-to-face meeting too.  They say to try six because they're all different.  We need all the support we can get to handle these situations.

The sad truth about interventions is that they do not have a great rate of success.  They often (not always) succeed in getting the person into rehab, but for rehab to work, the person has to want it to succeed.  That is most often achieved when the alcoholic "hits bottom" or realizes himself that his life has become out of control and unmanageable and that something has to change.  Until they get to that point, they don't see that they have a problem.  Even when they do get to that point, addiction is so strong that it's a struggle to stay sober and in recovery.  But the chances are greatly minimized when the person feels cornered into rehab instead of going by his own free will.  I know that feeling, that your husband's sister has, of desperately wanting the alcoholic to get some help.  (It sounds as if she could benefit from Al-Anon too).  But there are the Three C's: You didn't Cause it, you can't Cure it, you can't Control it.  If we could persuade alcoholics to stay sober, there would be no alcoholics left in the world.  But unfortunately, they are the only ones who have any control over their decisions.  This is the case even without someone who has paranoia or control issues.  Adding those in makes the situation even more complicated.

Your husband sounds as if he is in quite an alarming state and I'm glad you're protecting yourself.  Your kids are lucky to have you in the face of this terrible situation with their dad.  He may well think and promise that he will stop drinking on his own -- from what I've seen, every alcoholic believes he can do it -- but addiction is very, very strong.  It addles their thinking so they still think they have control over it even when it's clear to anyone that they don't.  Giving up drinking is not an overnight thing -- it takes alcoholics a year or more to get on an even keel and relearn life without the crutch of alcohol.  And as you say, even if he were able to be sober, there are the other problems of rage and paranoia.  Those may be caused by alcohol (which can cause all kinds of damage), or they may be underlying problems that he's "medicating" with alcohol.  Either way it sounds clearly like something that is beyond a regular person's capacity to diagnose or handle.

I hope you can stick around these boards, read all you can, learn about alcoholism and recovery, find meetings and eventually a sponsor, get the literature and read that, and start your own recovery.  Alcoholism sucks us into the insanity so that we need our own programs.  I hope you'll stick around.  Hugs.



-- Edited by Mattie on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 01:20:23 AM

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In my experience, I have not met many alcoholics that have the level of paranoia that you describe with your husband.
The keys that ring a bell in my head is the web cam and the smart phone paranoia and the thinking someone has been in your home.

I have met people that have an illness that leads them to have these thoughts and often drinking is one way of 'dulling' these thoughts, not a very efficient way I do admit.

I am happy to be proven wrong but I am not sure alcohol is your only issue with your husband. Other people may have more experience with people who drink alcohol causing these types of paranoid thoughts of someone watching him through a webcam that is turned off.

My sister is like that. She won't allow me to have my iphone on when I am with her and covers her face if I want to show her a picture I have taken. She refuses to use a webcam and keeps it covered. This is her now that she has ceased amphetamine use to the degree that she was using. She is also medicated now. She has some fixed delusions that are never going to go away. When she was in full sickness, she would think that the house was bugged and transmitting her conversations. She thought people were coming into the house to spy on her. She was very confused as to why this would be occurring. She would not see any doctors or anyone who would tell the 'authorities' what she was doing.

In the past also, I have been in a relationship with a paranoid schizophrenic. I am not saying your husband is that, I am just letting you know my experience. He too thought people were bugging and listening in. The radio and TV were talking to him.

it is hard to watch. I applaud you for staying safe with your children and i encourage you to learn as much as you can from Al Anon.

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I must respond to this.  While your husband is abusing alcohol, it is apparent he has much more going on than just this addicition.  It appears to be self medicating, which is common.  What is not common, is the severe paranoia you describe.  As a medical professional who works in the mental health setting on occasion and as a woman who has a mil with this mental illness, I deal with it on a regular basis. 

I very much sounds like your husband has schizophrenia.  While it is fine for you to learn the tools we have to offer here, it will not help protect you and your family in a crisis.  You just described a crisis.

I suggest, looking up mental health services in your area and going to speak with someone who can give you guidance and steps to put a plan in to place for protection.  I have no doubt he loves you and he is sorry.  An intervention which is costly will most likely be unsuccessful.  He first has to want it, and 2nd, it is not designed to deal with underlying mental illness.  I liken this to, if you have diabetes, you would not go to a urologist to help you control your disease.

It is interesting, my own family.  While my mother in law will openly talk about her illness, and has shown me her medical records...the rest of the family was "shcoked" when I said, "she is schizophrenic.  This is what schizophrenics do and belittling them, ridiculing them, making fun of them and arguing with them does not help but only exacerbates the situation.  However, the look of shock when I said the "word", as if it was something I was making up was a surprise.

I suggest a movie with Dustin Hoffman, "A Beautiful Mind".  It poignantly shows these lovely people and humanizes what it is they are living with.  For instance, those who are diagnosed with this disease are known to be highly intelligent.

Best regards as you navigate this.  Do Not go this alone.  IF you find family support going against you, kindly remove yourself from it while you continue in a direction to have an advocate for you and your family.  Also, keep coming back here.  The tools here will definately help and it is great to have friends at your quick disposal who really will love and accept you where you are.

God Speed.  Oh!  Do you work outside of your home?  If so, most companies offer counseling services that are confidential.  This may also be an avenue to open door of the appropriate services and help you need.

Do, keep us posted.  I know it is a lot to absorb.  Take your time.  Digest what you can.  Mental illness is dear to my families heart.  And, at the heart of it is the dignity of the one afflicted and compassion and understanding towards those who bear the brunt of it.

The only thing to fear, is fear itself.  Educating yourself is empowering. 



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For me I discovered that the intervention ended up being more for me.  I have no regrets about doing it as I feel that it made the statement that I no longer wanted to be a part of the disease.  I also gained a closeness with my in-laws that had been lacking that is very valuable to me.  

It was not a silver bullet for my wife's disease however, she went to rehab twice, she has had relapses since, but she is now sober and seems to have resolve, but there are no guarantees, and there is no cure.  I will never know if the interventions helped her, but I do know that the fact that why she's in recovery is no longer important, is a sign that I am getting better.

The first time my wife went to rehab, my "intervention" was pretty much ad-hoc, I read some books about it and followed some advice, her disease progressed so fast that she actually ended up going to rehab before I had time to plan a "real intervention".  The second time, her center helped and we had a more conventional type of intervention.  I didn't pay for either, but the center was certainly not free.

I have no opinions on paying for an interventionist, but I do feel that any cost is not yours alone to bare.  It is good that his family recognizes the problem and is willing to help, they should also be willing to help financially.  The disease itself is unbelievably costly, I was fortunate and had good  health care coverage, but we are still in debt despite two well paying careers (her's and mine).  People have overcome alcoholism with no money.  AA is funded by member donations only, it's a lot cheaper then booze and legal fees.



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I agree about intervention rarley works , one of our drug and alcohol counclors in my area said they take a lot of time to plan and are rehearsed over and over again , if there is one weak link in the family * a family member who is not strong enough to really say how they feel * the disease will find them and the disease will win one more time . Please find meetings for yourself this is a progressive disease and it only gets worse you need support from people who understand exactly how you feel . You cannot fight this disease alone .. Louise



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UPDATE!!!  I have decided against the intervention.  My husband has agreed to stop drinking and hasnt drank since the "event" last Friday.  He has been calm, and very patient with the kids and hasnt spoken at all about people out to get him.  I made an appt with a psychiatrist, the earliest he can see him is on Tuesday afternoon.  My husband agreed to see a doctor, I didnt tell him it was a psych doctor because he would refuse.  He seems to being doing this against his will because "I guess this is what I have to do to come back home"  He was also pretty upset that I said I needed at least a month apart to see where things are.  He thinks he should just stop drinking, no assistance needed and things will be fine.  Neither me nor my husband deal well with feeelings or emotions, we are classic avoiders. I turn to food, he turns to alcohol.  I think I will definately try to go to a meeting I see there is one not far away monday night.  Maybe his sister will come with me too.  I feel the road is long ahead, but for now he is sober and agreeing to see a doctor so that is positive.....



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Thanks for the positive update Nunni

I am glad that he has agreed to seek help and I  that you have a meeting close by for you to attend.

You are correct the road ahead is long and recovery for everyone is a process.  Breaking the isolation, learning new tools to live by , shairng feelings in a safe place really is important .

Good luck .  I hope your sister in law will join you



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