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Financial dilemma - HELP please!


I recently posted regarding my AH having "stolen" my flex health savings account money ($6,000).

There is another situation I need help with please.

My mother was recently placed on disability, gets some monthly income now, and has a little lump sum in retroactive pay.  My mom needs housing.  So, my AH found a home in foreclosure that she could buy, but it would have to go in my name (her money - she's fine with this).  He then wants me to take out a large loan for home repairs, and pay HIM to do the repairs (he's inflating the numbers).  However, the home would at least be an investment for my daughter's future, and a place for my mom to live  (this is what pulls me in).  

Obviously I no longer trust my AH with finances.  I want to tell him no, I will not participate in this.  It requires me to depend on him heavily for decisions and to get the repairs done.  He finds a way to deceive/manipulate situations though.  Regardless, he wants to know, TODAY, whether or not I'm "in" on the house thing - we have the purchase agreement to sign.  

Please share your thoughts!  



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You have to ultimately do what you think is right for you and your family. I wouldn't be rushed into a decision at this point. Give it to your HP and let it sit. When in doubt don't is really where I've started going with my decisions first and then look at what options are available to me.

Sending love and support, hugs p :)

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Something I first heard here, and something I repeat often, when in doubt, don't.

You can't trust your AH, this you know. Perhaps give yourself some time to research, and find someone who could do the repairs. Perhaps this doesn't have to be decided today.

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Hi,
I agree with all the others. Perhaps this doesn't have to be decided today. Take the time to look at all your options, not just the one that the AH has decided upon. This option makes you too close to him with decision making.... and all using your mom's money.

Have you ruled out apartments for rent? condos in senior living centers? homes that don't need repairs? The situation that I would want to avoid is that the home needs repairs, and he is responsible to repair, and then he doesn't get the work done because something else comes up that is more important to him. You have an expectation of him that he can't live up to. He has proven that to you. This would not be an investment in your daughter's future if it doesn't get fixed.... and then your mom has to live in a mess.

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oh brother - why not just have your mom give hubby the cash outright and avoid all the BS?



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Hi Klotus
 
You have received great responses. I just wanted to share that a friend from alanon did just as your AH is suggesting.
 
She secured out the large loan, and hired ABF to do the work.   He purchased some material-- Stored it in the basement---knocked down walls, took out kitchen cabinets (sold them) and then stopped working!!!
3 years and much pain later he moved out ( she was not paying him enough for the work, and his name was not on the house).
 
 She hired a contractor to finish the mess.   Much of the material that he had purchased needed to be discarded since there had been a leak in the basement.
It really sounded like a good idea in the beginning
Please pray about this


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Just thinking about anyone putting their AH in such a power position makes my heart start beating fast, and the adrenalin kicks in. I think you should tell him you won't be rushed. You have that right and that responsibility TO YOURSELF, as well as to your mom. My gut tells me that a small, warm apartment with a super to do repairs is a better thing for an elder with a disability than a fixer upper house. And the investment - yes, there is something in that, but if it is going to cause you to worry, and feel pain and disappointment again, is any future, potential (not at all for sure in this housing market) profit worth it? Good luck with this hard decision. What you do - do for you, and for your mom.

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He has already taken money that dosent belong to him , the loan will be in your name , which makes you responsible for paying it back , you have already said you  dont trust him.  hmmm  food for thought ! Louise



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KLotus,

I had a friend whose father was in financial trouble and convinced her if she bought a house then he would "fix it up" and maintain the mortage payments. He couldn't buy the house himself because his credit was not good enough. So, she signed for the loan and thought it would be an investment in her future. It didn't take long for the whole plan to go completely haywire. Within a few short months, he stopped making payments, got behind on the mortage, and the loan defaulted. Although the house was in her name, she was in school at the time and not able to pay the mortage herself. Her credit has been ruined. She wanted to "help" her father through a tough time, but the reality was that her father was financially irresponsible. He never apologized or tried to repair the damage that his actions caused her.

It seems from your circumstances that you need to consider and calculate this loan as if you are the ONLY person taking it out. If you and only you needs to pay back, let's say, $40,000 without depending on anyone else, does it still seem like a good decision? What if your mom passes away and her payments stop in 1 year, 5 years, or 10 years, then is it still a good investment? If it were me, I would consider seeing a financial planner to help me sort out these kinds of decisions, so I can make them with my head and not because someone is pressuring me.

There are MANY ways to invest in your and your daughter' future that do not have nearly the risks this has. You could establish a trust, buy an educational account for her, etc. And, I might point out that having huge loans to pay back is not necessarily an investment in YOUR future. What's that in Alanon about taking care of ourselves FIRST? :)

At any rate, a home purchase is a HUGE decision. I would not be rushed into making such a big decision.

BlueCloud



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KLotus,

I responded once already...but I have more to say :)

I've followed your posts and I just went back and read them again. I am really struck by how hard you are working a program. I am also struck by how much of the work of your home is on you - balancing a full-time job and caring for your daughter can't be easy!

As I read your posts, it seems that your husband is in a pattern of not helping, not working, and incurring debt.

What strikes me the most about your post is how "creative" his math is - it's almost funny, except, of course, it's not. Most strikingly, he can't really be "paid" with a loan. He can only be paid with profit or surplus, ideally from an employer. A loan may be an illusion of profit or surplus, but it's really a debt. So, he is asking to be "paid" with the loan and what does he plan to do with the money that he is "earning" for his work? Some of it, of course, will go towards the materials for the home repair, but what about the rest of it? What did he do with the 6,000 he stole from you? Does this mean he has given up indefinitely on finding work? Will he pester you for "payouts" from the loan even during weeks when he hasn't done work? Does he expect you to supervise his work or how will he be held accountable? What if he quits working on the house? What would happen then? His logic and thinking seem WAY off here and the true person who seems like she will be paying for this loan is you--financially and emotionally.

I like the first tradition and I live by it: "Our common welfare must come first...Personal progress for the greatest number depend on unity" I've come to realize that "common welfare" includes ME. So, if it's not in my best interest or I don't truly believe myself and the alcholic are in unity, I don't move forward.

BlueCloud



-- Edited by BlueCloud on Thursday 5th of January 2012 05:09:53 PM

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There will be other houses in foreclosure.  A friend recently bought one that didn't require any work.  Even a house that's fixed and up to date is a headache and a half -- it requires a lot of maintenance and money.  A lot of people who buy houses for investment purposes find that the headaches are way too stressful.  I'd suggest that a better investment for your daughter might be to disentangle your mother's housing and your daughter's future from your husband's alcoholism.  That's a mix that makes everything risky. Your mother may have to rent -- that may be the stress level (low stress -- the landlord is responsible for repairs, property tax, etc.) that's best for all of you.  And even sober, supposedly responsible professional workmen can drive you around the bend with their inability to get things done right.  What are the chances that an alcoholic workman with no business entity at stake will finish responsibly and on time?  If I never had to have another workman fix my house, my stress levels would be so much lower!  Anyway, just the reflections of someone who's fixed up way too many houses.  Take what works and leave the rest.



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I am so glad you came here and shared. This shows progress on your part.

My thoughts are this. He is an addict, this means he is very, very sick. Plus he is also a thief, stolen money from you. So in reality he should work for free.

To depend on him to do the work is this, depending on an addict to do anything. Isn't that an oxymoron?

They cannot be depended on. Believe me I see an addicts mind working thinking wow I can afford all the drugs I want for awhile.

Also be careful buying these foreclosed on homes. The mortgages co. and banks are not filing the correct paperwork. Many of those homes are illegally sold. There are NO Promissary notes and worse. Many people are finding out they got loans on a house that is NOT theirs!!!!

My husband was a remodel contrator. OMGosh what a mess he made when he was using and I did not know it. The mistakes, the thievery, the not finishing things. Then he robbed me blind and I Had NO Idea. I lost everything.

Well you can see by my experience and being here at MIP over ten years that this is NOT something I would support anyone to do.

Hugs hugs,debilyn



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KLotus,

Since your A has recently stolen money from you, you might also seriously consider reviewing your credit reports and putting safeguards in place to protect you from identity theft. Your A would certainly not be the first A to forge his loved ones signature or take out loans in their name, etc. Hopefully, this is not at all the case, but since he has resorted to impersonating you already (by sending in your receipts), intercepting checks (that I am assuming were made out to you?), and depositing them in his account (which means he forged your signature?), I really urge you to protect yourself financially. If he created other financial messes, it would explain his urgency and pressure around the housing loan. I certainly hope that stealing your checks is where the thievery ends, but better safe than sorry. I know there are programs out there that will alert you every time something changes in your credit report. Might be a good investment. And, since you are married, you might check the laws in your state, to make sure you are not jointly liable for his financial debt, etc. I know at least one person on here who divorced her husband to protect herself financially and stayed together with him. NOT saying you should divorce, just saying it's good to be educated. BlueCloud



-- Edited by BlueCloud on Thursday 5th of January 2012 09:18:14 PM

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wow he really is getting creative now isn't he.
I am interested in what you decided but from my point of view...... I wouldn't understand how my husband could take a wage from our own loan????
Its a debt isn't it????
doesn't work for me.


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the now ex A presented me with plenty of situations like this.  Overall I always got pulled in.  Then I would be mired in frustration, grief and anger.

It all sounds so compelling doesn't it?

Maresie.



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Hi Everyone - 

In response to all of your posts, I am overwhelmed with gratitude for what you have shared with me.  Your insights have been immensely helpful - so supportive.  Really, you have given me a lot to think about!

 Recently, I stood my ground in a conversation with my AH, as he was calmly and patiently trying to convince me that this was an ok deal - packaged with apologies (perhaps even sincere ones) and all.  In finality, I stated that the larger issue is that I do not trust him.  I told him that I accept his apology, but what's done is done, and only time and consistent changes will help rebuild.   Obviously that is painful for me, because I would like to be able to trust him, and to be able to move forward with decisions and investments, in our future.  But, not today.

BlueCloud - I was touched by the fact that you knew my "history" re: my posts, and you are right on point with ALL of your questions - those were mine as well.

More to come!!

BLESS YOU ALL.  

 



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I just found this site as I am up 5 hours past my bedtime and 4 hours before I need to get up and start my workday.  I am completely stressed about my nephew and his wife both heroin addicts and thiefs taking advantage of my very ill mother who probably has dementia.  I have contacted elder services and right now my hands are tied.  But I felt compelled to tell you that I am in Real Estate and if you are a California resident there are many programs that could help you purchase a home without his cash.  If you have good credit you may want to look at the rural home loans which finance at 100%, there are some other programs available so that you will not have to come with out of pocket expenses.  You need to speak to an experienced loan person.  No rushing.  There are many good deals out there.



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