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The roller coaster ride continues


In al anon we talk about how our qualifiers often have a distorted sense of reality. I feel like my AH is in that distorted realm right now but I can't be sure and I'm having a hard time being objective. I also feel like the current situation is one I've been trying so hard to avoid, steer clear of and be mindful of: my husband just told me that I am controlling and dictating and he is resentful of me. I'm sure it's a common occurrence in the world of us al anonics but it's a first for me and I wasn't at all prepared for it, especially after such a fruitful al anon meeting earlier today. In furtherance of a previous post, I've been feeling isolated and lonely. I've been trying to stay cheerful and positive around my husband but I am his only companion and have been feeling a bit exhausted of it. I have seriously curbed may own behaviors - I rarely go out or spend any money. Until last week, the only steady income coming into the household was may paycheck. My husband's father (a consummate enabler) "loaned" my husband and I another $100 every week to get by. My husband and his father have a business together doing contracting jobs. My husband's father returned to his native Hungary Memorial Day a weekend and my husband has been doing all of the work for the business since coming home from rehab 2 1/2 weeks ago. He has brought in about $500 since then. I work on Park Avenue as a real estate attorney, 8 years out of law school. We live in a rent controlled apartment. I bring my lunch every day, drive a 1999 Honda civic and most of my clothes are from Target or the like. We rarely travel. And still we barely have money to do anything. I went out Saturday night with a friend of mine and spent $100. This is the first time I had gone out in almost a month. I have plans to go to a movie with another friend tomorrow night. And I have made plans with more friends on Saturday but have left Sunday open to spend with my husband. My husband told me today that he expects to get paid from a job that he did this week on Thursday but that he owes money to a baseball pool he is in at the bar that he used to frequent before he began recovery. I hate that he continues to throw money away like that, usually my money, and told him that I thought gambling when we are so broke isn't such a good idea. He then said that he resents me because I can do anything I want and he can't, that I haven't had to sacrifice anything like he has and that he is doing everything I tell him and that I have been dictating to him show he has to live his life. I asked him if he thought that his recovery and attending aa was only for me and not for him as well. He didn't answer. I sometimes believe he'd rather be out getting drunk and high every day than being married and having a family. But then he sometimes insists that that is not the case. Half the time he tells me he is in recovery for himself and his own well being, half the time he makes it sound like he's only doing it because his father and I want him to, his mother died from alcohol related disease. This sounds suspiciously like typical alcoholic talk, like a twist on reality but I'm not sure. I said that I have made sacrifices too, that that was part of the deal in being married, that we work towards common goals and that it's a means to an end. He said there is no end at it goes on forever. I said it was a figure of speech but that I thought he understood what I meant. He said that all he knows is that he feels a lot of resentment towards me because I get to do anything I want and he can't do anything. I didn't engage, I didn't start to ramble off all the things that I have given up that came to mind because it's not a competition of who gives up more, who pays more, etc. I just said that I was sorry that he felt that way but that we both had agreed when we got married to do what we need to in order to have a good marriage and that takes sacrifice from Bo sides. Then he said he was dine sacrificing, done talking about it and for me to leave him alone. So I did. From the outside I am calm and respectful towards him. But on the inside I am fuming - I am thinking how dare you! How dare you dictate to me what we talk about and when we talk about it! I wasn't finished discussing that and I wasn't even heard. I feel disrespected, disregarded, unloved and insignificant. And I feel like I'm being punished for trying to have a life outside of my home and my marriage. I feel very confused. Maybe he is right, maybe I have been doing the exact thing I've been trying so hard not to do, controlling his life. But I'm not sure how not to do that in the way he is suggesting. How do I continue to run our household and pay bills but not have anything to say about how he spends our money? Especially when the only person who has made any money for 13 1/2 months of our 14 months of marriage is me? I am willing to sacrifice and work together but I do not want to be taken advantage of. I am very much looking forward to our couples counseling session on Friday evening to see abot revisiting this again! in the meantime I am trying to keep calm and continue to maintain my own dignity and my husband's by not lashing out, not saying anything disrespectful or unkind. But his treatment of me not only makes me feel lousy but it's ticking off at the little bug in my brain at says he's been drinking. I can't always succumb to that bug though - in the course of a marriage there WILL be times when we disagree, one one party says or does something to anger the other, and it doesn't always in I've alcohol! It's just that we haven't got much of a precedent for handling those situations. I will keep on a trying though, looking to my higher power to give me guidance here. The serenity prayer is especially helpful - I desperately. Need the serenity to accept this situation, guidance on determining what, if any, of it is mine to change and e courage to take the necessary action to ensure that we come out of this better that we feel right now! Thanks again, al anon in ether land, for the forum to vent and talk this through. Gratefully, Marianne K.

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Hi Marianne, You sound exausted! yep I did that too,had to support him. Then he turns around and leaves me with everything, his mess.

Lost everything.But gained more.

He may have gone to rehab, but all he is, is sober. Nothing has changed. All the symptoms of the disease are still there. Its sad.

I like the saying we teach others how to treat us. We need to value ourselves enough to say, that's it, no more bolony.

Gambles when you are supporting you both? Now their disease makes us sick. I am willing to guess you would have told people they were crazy that you would ever allow this.

I love to be frugal. I like a few nice things, but don't collect anymore. What makes you support him? Are his arms broken? I finally told mine a few times to go live with mommy.

Hon what do you want? What would make your life better? I know you have to be under huge stress with a career like you have. You worked hard to get there too I am sure.

We can't and should not do anything for them. And give me a break, he finally makes some money and says he has  gambling thing to take care of? After you supported him? What are his priorities! What are yours? Do you honestlly believe him?

A's are selfish, manipulative, liars, tell us we are the crazy one and more. Unless they are seriously on a program, I don't believe a word they say. His first thought is himself. He is not in recovery.

 I can see he is manipulating you big time. It makes me sad as you have not been married that long.

Sure hope this counselor knows about Addicts and AA, A anon. His being an A is the primary issue.

hugs, hope to see ya again, debilyn



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Have you read the book Getting Them Sober? It is a book that has helped me understand and apply alanon to my life. Chapter 30 is helping me right now. We have to put them in the back of our minds, we become addicted to them just as they are addicted to alcohol. This chapter says what would happen if we stopped paying attention to their sickness? If we learn to use good body language, do things we enjoy and keep in our own program and spirituality we feel better. It was suggested to me when I first came to keep going to meetings. Keep trying it. Take care of you!!

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Maryanne, I hope your situation improves. I just want to say that I admire how patient you are. It sounds to me like your husband doesn't appreciate you. My AH just tells me the same crap your AH tells you. Except mine isn't in recovery. He refused to believe he had a problem and our relationship was getting worse and worse so I gave him the boot. :(

Debilyn is right. You are exhausted. I hope you don't feel guilty for trying to have fun. Everyone deserves to be happy. I wish you the best and hope that your couples counseling will allow you to express your feelings to your husband in a productive way. :) good luck.



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Marianne,

I am so glad you are having the courage to open up here more.  It really does lighten ones load to have an appropriate forum to vent rather than explode on the AH.  Kudos to you.

I thought I knew what I was walking into when I got married to my AH.  From reading your post, the first year for me was definetly the most difficult.  I had some expectations about what each other should be responsible for.  Money, sex, and drinking were topics that were argued over on a regular basis.   I found it impossible to aruge with my husband because he is of the same profession as you.  Attending Alanon on a regular basis, for me it is 5 -7 meetings per week, I am able to practice "do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy."  I stopped fighting anthing and anyone because no one wins.   I kept the focus on myself and do little things for me such as getting a coffee, working out, and practicing self care.  When I took my focus off of him and began to focus on myself, I could not believe how much time I had on my hands.  I had to get a life.  It's a full time job trying to figure out what is going on with me than to worry about him. 

It did benefit us greatly to go to a counselor to talk about the money and difficulties in the first few years of marriage.   I hope your session goes well.  We are on the cusp of celebrating our 10th year together.  I will say it does get much better.  I absolutely adore my husband.  He is a magnificant human being and wonderful father.  We have trudged through some tuff stuff, but I cannot imagine being with anyone else in this world.  Working the steps on my AH the first year in the program really was the key because I was able to separate the man from his disease.   I was able to dump the garbage of the past that was eating my lunch today and destroying my relationship with my loved one. 

You are doing an excellent job of faking it until you make it.  I am so very proud of you for your self care and for reaching out here.  

Respectfully Yours,

TC



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Oh Marianne, I feel for you! My AH is very fond of going on and on and on about how much he's sacrificed and how good I have it. Those (and other) hateful words are capable of ripping my heart out. I try very hard to turn to my HP, and remind myself that my AH is totally incapable of empathizing with me right now because of this disease.

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re: How do I continue to run our household and pay bills but not have anything to say about how he spends our money?

Here is a suggestion that has worked for me (us).
When you do your budgets, make some rules to follow:
1) Agree on routine household expenses (groceries, utilities, cars) and who will pay and monitor them
2) Decide on a dollar limit beyond which you must get permission from the other to spend toward non routine household items like tools or small appliances, maybe clothes (say $15.00, but it's your budget - go higher or lower based on your needs. We've been as low as $0 or $5 in bad times and as high as $75 in great times.)
3) Decide on an "allowance" for each of you. This is money that you can each spend in any way you want without consulting the other - for dinners with your pals, movies, alcohol, gambling - when it's gone, it's gone; if there's some left, save it for next month. We get paid monthly, so I opened a separate savings account for each of us for our allowance. It is not co-mingled with the household money. It gets funded when we get paid, and when it's gone, it's gone; we must wait until next month to play again. This savings account is the peace maker - because it allows me to keep out of his business, and not resent where the money is going. We've already decided that it's "play money".

Good luck. It can all be worked out.
P. S. One of my hubbies favorite sayings (sorry non-alanon) is
"I've been rich and I've been poor; rich is better"



-- Edited by nice4ever on Wednesday 22nd of June 2011 10:29:59 AM

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Sounds like your husband is taking your inventory. When a person in AA identifies a resentment they are supposed to look at THIER part in it, not YOUR part. Sigh. Hope for your sake he learns from his sponsor. Don't take any of his recovery talk too seriously right now would be my suggestion. The best thing he is accomplishing is just not drinking a day at a time. Later on he will recognize how all his early sobriety rants and realizations were a bunch of caca. I sure did. The brain has just started waking up and he is fooled into thinking he has all the answers and clarity when he is really just at the tip of the iceberg. Oh well....his journey...Try not to make it yours too much.

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Thanks again to all for your input and support! I meant to write earlier but one thing led to another... I felt encouraged this morning when he apologized for lashing out and displacing his anger towards me. But he is now out somewhere and I have no idea where he is so it makes me dubious of his earlier sentiments. But, as we all know, there is always tomorrow.

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