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You have been of such help to me in my struggle with my 27 yr old addict son, especially Jerry F, Canadian Guy, Xeno59 and Karen L. Now, I am very sad because the police came last night to say my son had been found dead of an oxycontin overdose, in his squalid room in a house downtown on Sat. about 6 pm. My wife sat me down in our living room, because I had not been home when they came and said "your worst fear has come true".. I was shocked since I had been practicing detaching with love, and he had shown signs of doing better and wanting to return to rehab. But he always made an excuse for not going (they won't let me smoke in that one, that one is not dual-diagnosis, etc.) and ended up continuing to work and use alcohol and drugs. I was dumbstruck but today it really sank in as we went to the room, collected his things, and talked to the police.
He was such a beautiful son and I told him that often, and that I loved him very much. In spite of being clever, witty, and well liked by his friends, he had become a seasoned addict after more than 10 years of substance abuse, and his mind worked in strange ways and he made lots of demands on me. I tried to find the right approach to detaching via this group, and my 3 or 4 F2F groups. They all told me to do what I was doing.. not let him move back with us, make him make the treatment decisions instead of me, don't give him money, and let him hit bottom. I was lauded for my successes when I would not give money, for example, or brush off skillfully his continued requests to live with us. But just when I feel these little successes he goes and dies, making the whole thing moot and meaningless. In rehashing, I am thinking maybe I could have used a little less tough-love and had him still living. Or at least stopped in and visited him last week when I knew he was having a hard time. But I had a busy deadline at work and little free time that week. I had become sick and tired of hearing the broken record of self-pity and had made the decision to turn things over to my Higher Power. So this was what happened... was it meant to happen I wonder? I was also angry at him for manipulating me out of $75 last week and not paying it back, so I avoided him the week he was going back on opiates from alcohol after several months. And that was what killed him... he was injecting the Oxy with needles he had bought Friday night. And had gotten his new primary care Dr. to prescribe the Oxy for him a week ago, 30 day supply for free with his state insurance. It was a health dept. Dr. who did not know his history of addiction.
So please keep me in your thoughts and prayers in the days and weeks ahead. Funny, I feel very sad, shaky, and fearful, but also a strange sense of relief, that this struggle will now not last my whole lifetime. Maybe it is a merciful end for two long-tormented souls (he and I both). And now that he is gone, do I still 'need' the program?
So profoundly sorry for your loss. Truly, there aren't any words to ease your pain, I'm sure. However, as for needing the program, I'd say this is where addiction has impacted your life more agonizingly than ever before...keep coming back. *many hugz*
Rhiv.
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So sorry to hear of this tragedy, and yet another example of how serious and fatal this disease really is.... My heart and hugs go out to you.... I pray that he is finally at peace now....
As for whether or not you still need the program - I would say an emphatic "yes".....
Please remember that you truly DID all you could have possibly done - you loved your son in the very best way you could..... The three C's apply, even in death....
Take care Tom
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"He is either gonna drink, or he won't.... what are YOU gonna do?"
"What you think of me is none of my business"
"If you knew the answer to what you are worrying about, would it REALLY change anything?"
I am so very, very sorry for your loss. My heart just breaks for you in the loss of your beautiful child - your post brought tears to my eyes, and I am profoundly saddened. This disease is truly merciless.
Please stay with the program. Even if you do not have active addiction, the program develops your own coping skills, your own life skills, that you will need. The people in the program understand what you are going through like nobody else will or can.
God bless, prayers for you and yours. I hope to see you here very often.
Words cannot express my feeling of sorrow for the loss of your son. I can only say your son is in a better place and you are and will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers.
You need the program now more than ever, and Paul the program needs you.
I`am so very sorry to hear of your great loss. There just doesn`t seem to be words to describe my empathy..Please remember that you did all you could to be the best parent for your troubled child. The rest was out of your hands. My thoughts and prayers are with you both.
I am truly sorry for the loss of your precious child. This disease is merciless.
I too lost my son, 3 years ago to this disease.The feelings you describe are familar. After the loss of my son , I foundmthat I needed alanon just as I had while my son was alive and struggling.
Please keep coming back- the support, compassion and love that surrounded me in my grief truly helped me begin to heal
You and your son are in my prayers.
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I am so sorry for the loss of your precious child (((hugs)))
It took immense courage for you to turn your son over to Higher Power, but you did. It is my personal belief that addiction is another path to God, however devastating it is for those of us who are left behind...
I hope that you continue to turn to your Higher Power. Al-anon helps me to remember that I am powerless over alcohol, yes, but also over people, places, things, situations.... Al-anon helps me to remember that when I turn things over, I leave all outcomes to a Power Greater than myself. Without help, I cannot do it on my own. I need a fellowship to walk this journey with me, I don't ever want to be alone again... isolated in misery like I used to be....
In al-anon, you'll always have a loving family who understands. When you're ready, you also have so much to offer. Take care of yourself, whatever that looks like ((my friend))
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Aloha Paul You have consistently had the courage to change the things you could and have grown from it. It's sad that your son achieved the fatal part of this disease and I offer prayers for you and him and your family for the loss. I know how courageous you have been during this period of time and the journey you walked with him I hope others will learn of your and his story and the outcome and that maybe they who are being so negatively affected by alcoholism and drug abuse will also come to understand.
May your heart and spirit be consoled and his find serenity. (((((hugs)))))
I know in the depths of our grief we always tend to torture ourselves with "What if?"s. I think this is human nature, because we are so desperate to turn back the clock and undo things. Do remember the three C's. Nothing you could have done would have prevented this. I believe much research has shown that detaching with love, rather than enabling, has the best chance of meaning that the addict finds recovery. But the recovery rates are still very very low. You did everything you could. Please do not succumb to the temptation to think you should have done something differently.
My mother died of a long illness, where I was her caretaker, and even then I sometimes think "If only I had...", it would have saved her. Joan Didion refers to this in her book The Year of Magical Thinking. It is magical thinking. Again, it's human nature but it's not accurate.
In time I wonder if it would be helpful to read the many books that have been written by people who've lost their children to addiction. But not if it increases your pain.
Please continue to get support. I am so sorry this has happened.
My deepest sorrow and sympathy go with you at this time.
Although there are no words that can comfort you, I pray his questions are finally being answered. I pray his soul is at peace. I pray you find courage to continue your journey of truths. I pray not another single parent will have to endure the trials of either you nor he suffered. I pray for you and your family.
Know the words you shared here will not fall on deaf ears. Even in your time of loss you've reached out to share. Bless you my friend and may your HP shed healing and grace as always in your time of need.
I'm reminded of the Footprints prayer...."it was then that I carried you."
I'm so very sorry. Please hold on to the thought that he is free. I too have lost a child, although not to addiction, addiction had it's claws in it. I don't feel that time heals, it always hurts, but eventually we learn to adjust and somehow stumble forward.
I recall looking out my window feeling that it was so very strange that people kept working, cars kept whizzing by, and the world still turned...and there I was, wondering if I could even survive the heart wrenching grief.
I wasn't in Alanon then and there wasn't anyone that could relate to losing a child in my circle of friends.
Maybe, just maybe, you were led here by a Higher Power to be with people that can say "I know how you feel and I understand".
Much love and healing to you and your family, Christy
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I am so sorry for your loss , I cannot imagine loosing an adult child to this disease . I lost a daughter many yrs ago when she was a baby so I do know what your going thru the only way I could come to terms with her death was that God needed an angel to look after other babies , 7 yrs ago our grandson was born 3 months before he was supposed to we didnt know if he would live or not I asked my daughter to take care of him so that our son didnt have to go thru what we did , he is a beautiful little boy .and as to your question Do I really need program now ? my answer would be more then ever .. prayers for you and family . Louise
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(((fidddleman))) I can't tell you how sorry I am that you lost your beautiful son. I hope you can find some comfort in your good memories of him, and in knowing that you did the very best you could to help him. You wonder if it was meant to happen...I believe that everything that happens is for a reason even if we don't understand what that reason is. You and your family are in my prayers. Yes, please stay with the program, it can be an enormous help to you, maybe more than ever. And as RLC said, the program needs you. Keep coming back.
So sorry you had this happen. I cannot imagine the pain of losing a child. This gives me more resolve to stay sober and to help other alcoholics and addicts.
(((Fiddleman))) I'm so sorry for your tragic loss.
I don't believe that doing anything differently would have changed the outcome. A friend of mine lost her son to suicide last year -- an absolutely brilliant, successful young man who suffered from severe medication-resistant depression -- and nothing could be done to thwart him from his chosen course of action.
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Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could... Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense. - Emerson
You handled it all the best you could. Your son knew you loved him. He was still all those things you said he was. He was just very sick.
It's natural to feel the horrible grief, yet some relief. This happens with many deaths from diseased loved ones. It shows you cared more about him than yourself. You didn't want him hurting anymore.
Believe me your emotions will change for a long time. Nothing will stay the same. I hope you will allow yourself to feel those things and know it's normal. Let yourself heal.
YES I believe we need support even if we lose our loved ones who are A!We may be the only ones who truly understand. We still believe he deserved your love, and was a good person who was sick!
My heart is breaking for you! I hope you will come here, share and get it out!
Grief is HARD work. But to get to a almost comfortable place, we must go thru it.
Sending you and yours love, and to your son too. debilyn
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I am new to this board, I have a daughter that is 28 and is struggling with alcohol to the extreme. She has also taken drugs along with the alcohol. I read your son's reasons for not wanting to go to rehab and I was dumbfounded as they are the same two reasons that I have heard from my daughter (who is now in detox for a third time in just a few months). My husband and I have had no life for about 6 years now. Everytime we think it is getting better, it doesn't. So my thoughts for you are this; I don't know what your religion is, or if you consider yourself spiritual, but I have considered myself more a spiritual person as I believe in a higher power which some call God, and I do to at times, but here's the thing - I have always believed from a very young age that God is not a punishing God, we make our choices here on earth, we decide what we will do, we decide the path we are going to take. Your son took the path, my daughter is on a path. I strongly believe that this life we are living is not the end, it is an experience - whether it be good or bad, we are the ones choosing the experience. I also believe strongly that our body dies and our spirit goes on to another realm where we are very much alive and well. So I ask myself all the time, if I really believe that we are okay after death, that our spirit goes on, then why do I live in so much fear of losing my beautiful daughter. Well I think the answer is that we will miss them greatly. My wish for you and your wife - remember the beautiful boy before the disease took him. He is at peace, I believe this. Don't make the mistake of living with "what if" I had let him come home. I don't think it would of made a difference, they are looking for a soft place to land when things are tough. That is where we are at right now, our daughter is begging to come home, she is in Utah, where we sent her last year to a 3 month rehab, we are in NY and have no intentions of letting her come back here to where it all began with all her friends still drinking. They do have a certain responsibility for their own lives. We brought them into the world and loved them every day of their lives, we tried to guide them, but if they will not take the advice, then we have to surrender it. Bless you and your wife. No regrets, you did the very best you knew how.
Prayers for you and your family. I am so sorry for your loss. And extremely grateful that in your time of deepest sorrow you found it within yourself to reach out. I cannot express in words how much that has touched me to the very depths of my soul. May you find some peace in the midst of your grief. Thank you and Yes, you definitely should keep coming here, you have much to offer to people like me.
I lived with a progressive addict alcoholic for 7 years. During that time I found al anon and I've been here for quite a few of those years. Detaching takes a long long time to perfect. The now ex A I was involved with eventually went on a downward spiral, was homeless, destitute and completely helpless (except for scoring drugs). He made tremendous demands on everyone around him. He had deceit, lies and manipulation mastered right to every single V- spot I had. I drove myself to exhaustion and back as well as financial devastation, homelessness and health catastrophes. No matter what I did nothing changed, he continued on his downward spiral.
I used to really believe what I did, how I behaved helped the ex A. Now I think it was always his decision to use and keep using. He had the option of seeking help and chose not to.
I don't blame myself anymore. I do know that I came to learn many many things about myself while within that relationship. I would now not choose to be in any relationship with a addict/alcoholic (that I have a choice about) and know that I can be absolutely sucked into their downward spirals like a vortex very subtly at first and eventually taken to complete catastophe.
Prayers coming your way. I am so sorry for the loss of your son. The love you have for him shines thru in your post.
And the program needs you. There will be others out there who need your experience strength and hope. I pray you stick around to give it.
I am sure your son has found relief. Personally I believe that death removes the boundries we needed to keep us safe in life and we are free to converse and love without conditions.
Fiddleman, Deepest sympathy to you and yours; my heart is sad for you. I too lost a loved one as a result of addiction. I send you Serenity Prayer , and I hope you find a way to heal . God bless you.
Thanks for praying for me and for your comforting words. The more I learn from his friends who are now calling in great sadness, the whole picture emerges and many tried to help him as I did. Many told him he could come stay with them to get away from his bad influences, one even had a room for him. So many told him of their concern for his drug use, and kept telling him how good he was and trying to build him up. But the addiction took him... He was not able or willing to take care of himself and seemed OK with the idea of dying for a long time in his short life. That tells me some of the great pain he was in for so long. Yet, such a mystery why he would not take steps to help himself and get better. Forcing his issue by backing off and detaching with love was my way of giving it up to my higher power, and also trying to preserve my own life and sanity. It was hard work but I made progress in the last 3 years of Al Anon and had I started even earlier there would have been more time for him to change after I changed. But it was not to be. I still think the death was accidental.. there was no note and shooting Oxy he could easily have given himself too much the first time. It was a very bad thing for him to be doing and he knew it and was likely very ashamed of himself and did not want to tell me. My loving detachment gave me some life back and I prayed this was the right thing to do and prayed for him. Unfortunately, this was the outcome so of course I am doing some second-guessing... what if I had stopped by, talked to him more that last week, tried harder to get him into treatment. But then it would have been my idea and he would have reluctantly gone along with it perhaps, only to find fault with the treatment places and people like he always had. His Mom (my ex) who is now in AA herself says he died of 'terminal uniqueness'.. he thought the rules did not apply to him, and that he could come up with his own solutions for everything. Stubbornness, arrogance, selfishness, and lack of humility killed him as much as the drugs did. But we all loved him and will miss him alot.
Keep me in your prayers and I am praying to mend this broken heart and move on but it will be a long journey. Your support is very helpful.
I appreciate your compassionate follow up. I just wanted to say that I did, make those visits to my son, chatted, tried to force rehab, made sure he had food and then turned him over to HP HP's answer was totake him in his sleep one evening.
He was a beautiful loving wonderful person who was also inflicted with 'terminal uniqueness'a huge sympton of this dreadful illness
Just adding my sincere condolences, Fiddleman for the tragic loss of your son. Respect is due to you for being able to come and tell us about him and articulate your feelings so well and so poignantly.
I am very sorry for your great loss. Please do not second guess your behavior and think that anything you could have done differently would have altered the outcome in any way bc that is an ego trip for us and it allows us to lose our way in the light of truth. You are handling this with extreme grace and dignity and it shows. Things happen in God's time (not ours) and clearly HP wanted this sweet angel home to rest in peace and whole-ness. I hope you take very good and loving care of you right now.
What I have learned to do when my loved one's pass is to love them like they are still here - then I dont feel any loss of loving and it is more bearable to still love them. I also get comfort believing that they are in peace now and would want us to be in peace about them being out of suffering. Prayers on the way for you and yours.
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Keeping you in my Thoughts & Prayers... I lost my Afather to this Disease 2 years ago, and tho it does at times Seem truly overwhelming, it will get better... For Me it meant Diving into my Program and figureing out NOW for the 1st Time in My Life... What "I" Truly wanted out of MY Life... Know that my Deepest Sympathy is with you at this time... May HP Hold you in his Hands till you are strong enough to move Forward ....
Lifting you in Prayers... Friends in Recovery... One Day at A Time
My deepest sympathies on the loss of your son. I can't imagine that type of loss. I buried my beloved Tim almost 3 years ago. I remember the overwhelming sadness and all those other emotions that come along with loss. I miss him everyday.
As hard as it is try not to second guess what you said and did. It's not easy. I still do that. Try and remember that you did the best you could at that moment. As did I. The other part of this is that I came to realize my loving husband had no more fight in him. He just couldn't do it anymore. I am comforted by the fact that he knew how much I loved him. I often wondered about that, until I talked to a friend of his. He told me that was the one thing he knew that he was loved by his father and me. Your son knew that too. Sometimes when we tell them, we wonder if they are really hearing us. They are. He knew you loved him of that I am sure. May that be of some comfort to you.
Much love and blessings to you and your family. Take all the time you need to grieve. Feel what you feel. Know like my Tim they are not suffering in anymore. It's okay to feel that relief.
In sympathy and recovery, Karilynn
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I just signed on to this Message Board for the 1st time this evening and - not knowing where to start- typed in "27 Year old" in the hope of finding help for my 27 year old addict son Michael and my family. Your message was the first post I read and, needless to say, I was very much moved by the deeply tragic news of the death of your son. You and he will be in our prayers tonight. If it is any small solace to you and yours I have taken this first step towards trying to grapple with my sons addiction which started in his 1st year of college and has resulted in his isolating himself some 200 miles away from us in Philadelphia Pa. after re-hab and numerous episodes. ( We reside in LI New York). I too love my son very much and only want to help him despite the great difficulty we have faced in dealing with his problems. Enough for now - I hope to stay in touch with the people on this board and maybe your son will look down upon mine and send his blessing.