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My wife expressed to me on Saturday night that she is "done" with alcohol. She didn't say it in a boastful or arrogant way. It was as if she was finally surrending. This was after a bad night on Friday where she drank heavily. She basically just seems to have given in--she said she is done lying (a huge step, as she never admitted in the past that she even has lied), she knows she has a problem, she knows she has hurt me and our family, and she knows she has to stop. I was encouraging but tried not to be overly enthusiastic, as I know her words are nice to hear but ultimately don't mean anything without the actions behind it. The next night, we went out to dinner with 2 of our closet friends and she shocked me by telliing them that she has a problem. I had no idea she was going to tell them so I was quite surprised. Then when we got home she called her parents and told them. Needless to say, she seems to be taking this pretty seriously.
I'm happy for her and cautiously optimistic, but I'm wondering what this means for me. Where do I go from here? How do I interact with her? Should I stop trying to detach? Should I act in any way differently than what I've been doing in the last month or so? I feel like she needs tons of support and help right now and it's just hard to imagine doing that and detaching at the same time.
One example--she said that going to the grocery store every week was always challenging for her because there was a liquor store right next door and she would often stop in there after grocery shopping (again, this is huge that she told me this, as she has barely even acknowledged drinking in the past). She asked that I go with her to grocery shopping tonight after work. I said of course, but wonder if that is the best thing to do?
Hi Usedtobeanyer. I had an almost identical thing happen to me on Saturday night. My AH drank heavily and admitted his problem for the first ever time (he's had a problem for many years) and said he'd had enough and how can he continue to treat me and the kids in this way. Like you I was encouraged but didn't want to get my hopes up. The next morning I asked him if he remembered what he said and he said "no"! and he couldn't remember getting home. So I said "wonderful" what you said was the most important things ever and you can't remember" so I enlightened him a little with what he said and he had nothing to say. So back to square one me thinks! Anybody else had similar experience?
My experience as a double winner is this . . . if she does get into recovery get ready for some craziness! Early recovery is hard. The feelings they have been drowning in alcohol are going to get in touch with them. They are going to have to face what they have been doing. It is a very hard time.
My recommendation - is work your own program. Let her know that you are there to help but she is going to have to ask. You can not do this for her. You can not even come close to guessing what she needs, you are not in her shoes. This is 100% hers to own. There may be days she will hate the sight of you. Don't take it personally. It is so important to focus on your OWN program and gain strength. Just standing firm and being loving and understanding will be HUGE. Get ready to set boundaries and detach with love when necessary.
Hopefully she is really going to do this. Opening up to my friends and family was pretty much my way of owning my problem and being accountable. Now that everyone knows I HAVE to do something about it. That shows REAL promise.
Good luck!
Tricia
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First off CONGRATULATIONS, for me this was the first time I really started to understand how cunning and powerful alcohol is and how it had affected all our lives, I thought great, no more drinking, I will have a husband back, WRONG, I was even more confused when he swapped one addiction for another, I was very demanding of his time and this caused him to retreat further into his shell and away from me, I felt neglected and abandoned over again and I couldn't blame the bottle now, I thought we could work through our problems together but we couldn't we didn't know enough about what we were dealing with, so I came here and went to face to face, I listened and I had to let go of my old out of date rigid thinking, I had to learn a new way to think and behave, it's hard work, first of all I learnt only to think differently, but I couldn't behave accordingly, and at first I wouldn't couldn't admit I had any changing to do, for sometime I would use my old behaviours, and things would be worse than ever, then little by little I began to change and I couldn't believe the difference, when I didn't react, when I stopped using all the things he had done to us over the past, as an excuse for my bad behaviour, pheweeeeeee, it's a fresh start for all of you, good luck.
usedtobeanyer wrote:One example--she said that going to the grocery store every week was always challenging for her because there was a liquor store right next door and she would often stop in there after grocery shopping (again, this is huge that she told me this, as she has barely even acknowledged drinking in the past). She asked that I go with her to grocery shopping tonight after work. I said of course, but wonder if that is the best thing to do?
HI USEDTOBE
It is great that your wife was honest with herself and her family this weekend. I know she is attending AA meetings, so I suggest that you continue to keep up your meetings and keep coming here to share. You and your family are worth it
I understand her fear of stopping at the Store after shopping and that she is asking for help.
Just remember that you are powerless over this disease and going shopping together is helpful to obtain the family supplies for the week but no guarantee that she will not stop or go at another time.
You are not her policeman just a loving partner.
I hope the Birthday Party for your 2 year old was fun
-- Edited by hotrod on Monday 8th of November 2010 10:13:21 AM
I am glad for your wife's awareness of her disease. It certainly a step in the right direction. It's what she does with that awarness that counts. actions speak louder than words. So for now you can have hope that this will lead to recovery but speaking from my own experience please don't let that hope turn into an expectaion....My son admitted several times he was an A but nothing ever came of it. Each time I had such high hopes that I would turn into an expectaion and when he didn't follow through with any kind of recovery then I was more angry and frustrated than before. Allow your wife to work her recovery as you work yours. Her recovery is hers to own. If she does seek recovery ( and I pray she does ) A's in early recovery can be very difficult to deal with. They are very self centered and may push you out of the way a bit. They have feelings to deal with that they had previously drown out with booze ot drugs and just as we here can understand each other as no one else can the people around her in recovery going thru the same things she is will be her major source of support. Sometimes to the point of obsession. I would just continue working your program as you have been you are still going to need it weather she is drinking or not. Keep the focus on you and your children. If she wants help shopping i don't see anything wrong with that but as I think was already stated you can't be her babysitter. If she wants to go the the liqour store she will with or without you. Prayers goin your way Blessings
You continue to do what your doing .saying she is done is one thing actually doing something about it is another . this is alcoholism not alcohol wasm. one drink and all hell breaks loose ..Al-Anon is a program for living drinking or not this program and it s simple suggestions on how to improve my life works ,it has improved every relationship i have . Sobriety is not the answer to all of lifes problems but it sure helps . If serious she wil find her way to AA let them take care of her while Al-Anon takes care of you . As your beginning to change the alcoholic begins to panic and will do and say anything to get us off thier backs . telling us what we want to hear so we relax and wham away we go again .the very nature of this disease is deception so keep your expectations low but never give up hope ..remember that your not responsible for keeping her sober anymore than you were responsible for her drinking this is her trip leave it with her . for me the best way to support the Alcoholics efforts at sobriety was to have my own program mind my own business as long as your both goin in the same direction you have a chance .
Thanks sooo much for your post Usetobe...cause I've been there and have done that and then continued to do program. Here are some of the things I found out...First HP and Prayer works where I doubted both. Prayed she'd get dry and she did and next realized once over that it was I that was the cause of my problems so while she was talking "dry" and moving toward sobriety I still had to focus on myself only. The major part of the miracle wasn't for me it was the alcoholic coming to reality and doing the first things to not go back on that reality. Your wife was doing for her...you gotta do for you. While she was pointing toward recovery I fritzed and went crazy because I didn't know how to do "now what!!" and I was being told "now what" just as the membership here is telling you now what...attend to your own program. Her sobriety isn't going to get you sane...she is not responsible for your sanity that is your work.
I found out I really wasn't taking care of my own maturity, peace of mind and serenity but was leaving that up to the alcoholic and other things outside of myself...I had thoughts, dreams, wishes and intentions and...no responsibility with procrastination. Still I would say that none of those things came to fruition with me because of her drinking.
The suggestion to stay in the program for yourself is the very best one that should be given. If it already has worked for you before she stopped drinking (and it has) why would it not continue. Stay with your recovery and fulfill the suggestions you have not done yet...sponsor, steps, slogans, literature, helping other etc.
Leave her to AA and recovering Alcoholics...that is not abandonment but loving detachment with trust, faith and love. Yes I did accompany my alcoholic to the supermarket however the disease of alcoholism will never trip over that piece of assistance. Alcoholism will be after Her, you and the family forever. No need to fear when you are working a program and for her if she is also. Cunning, Powerful and Baffling isn't a trite description of alcoholism that piece of information is age old and comes from the professional community also.
Thank God for the breakthrough...you prayed for it so you must be worthy. She is also. Thanks for the update...((((hugs))))
I do help out if I am asked to and I want to. If I don't want to, I am learning to not help. In the case of driving to the grocery store with her, and shopping, thats great. The thing is, you cannot babysit her. If suddenly she says she is going to the liquor store, you cannot tell her not to, ask her not to, etc. You have to keep your focus on you. When my A has done that same thing, I am very calm and say "ok". I do not argue, fuss, fight, try to coerce him, stop him or anything. I work very hard to keep my mind on me. I am not saying I am perfect, but I work on it. She may suprise you and not even go there when you are together. She may go another time or not at all. I try to not place expectations because I know that it will rain on my parade if I do. I ask HP all the time for guidence, love, help, etc. I am feeling, and dealing with things now more than ever. I ask HP to speak through me when it is the toughest time. HUGS!
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Admitting is the first step. Her sharing with others is great. Shows she realises she has a problem.
More than a problem, she has a lifelong incurable disease.
All the grieving, pain, guilt is going to hit her all at once. All the things she drank away are just waiting to come out. It can be horrible for them.
We have to continue to learn and get skills from Al Anon. Nothing is over. using a drug, including alcohol is only one tiny part of the disease. That is what makes them NEED to get into AA. Better to go away to inpatient rehab. If she can get into rehab, get out and do 90 meetings in 90 days then as many as she needs, that makes her chances higher to stay on a recovery program longer.
It is all up to her. But most need a little guidance. Some don't know about AA, rehab etc. I believe in getting brochures and literature and leaving it out. It is up to her to pick it up. Nothing has to be said by you.
If she asks or gets mad, you can say you were curious about it. Which is not a lie.
Even moreso you need al anon. BIG time. one day at a time, you will see what comes, but we must work on our own lives, her disease is her own.
When we are not A we have no way to relate. Our precious tlcate shares she is is a double winner. That means she has been and is on both sides of the illness. Her words are gold.
Even the A themselves may not realise how very, very hard it is going to be for them.
My experience tells me, they need AA etc. To white knuckle or "fight" the craving and need and want is almost impossible and those that do try it that way are not real pleasant to be around. usually.
It can also be manipulation. The guilt from drinking heavily as you shared, she was hungover and miserable. And mostly full of guilt.It is ever so common for them to feel so bad they say and do about anything HOPING they can pull it off to never drink like that again.
It may have scared her how badly she felt afterwards.She may honestly MEAN all she is saying!
This is where the horrible disease steps in, and in her head, well maybe I can have just a little to make me feel better, or no I just cannot be an A.
This is when AA a sponsor, working a program is VITAL.
Again it is totally up to her.
This is what makes it so important for you to keep learning al anon skills, meetings, reading and staying OUT of her business. Because when she does relapse, 99% chance, you will not be so engulfed in her disease that it pulls you way down.
When we learn al anon skills, we can continue on and allow them the dignity to figure it out for themselves. We don't fight or yell or condemn. We KNOW it is a powerful disease, they are sadly living with.
We learn not to be worrying and white knuckling ourselves if they are going to use again. Becuz we love them, just how they are. We feel sad when they are sick in their disease of course, but we don't blame them.
Many see this as a window, a very short time open, for opportunity to ask them if they are ready to go to rehab. No arguing or counseling. If you are ready to go, I will figure out everything here. Then it is up to them to arrange it all.
If they are serious about going, they will. You can get info if you like as far as rehab options, leave them for her to see.
I needed to know the truths, all of them. I wish I had known all I just shared with you.
My AH had been in recovery a long time. I knew him all my life. Our marriage was so nice, normal. Then the brain surgery, medical relapse, I could not have been more shocked. no HORRIFIED!
I loved that man with everything in me since I was 17. It was off and on all my life until this year when I had to divorce him. The disease won. I am almost 58 now.
I so hope she will get help, accept help. You guys all need each other.
I have a very very dear friend who is A. Her husband died from cancer, was an A. They were the typical nice family. She raised her three kids great. They are good people. She has always been involved in the community. Now heads a major program for kids to be watched at schools before and after and in summer when parents work.
So they can, on program, have good lives, raise families etc.
I have always loved her no matter what. Her disease was and is always her own. it has made us so much more than friends. She has no guilt around me, I am not part of her disease.
I am praying so much your dear wife gets help and you continue to. Am also very glad you are here!
I want to thank everyone for responding. It's very helpful and really gives me some amazing insight. Just to clarify a few things, she's been going to AA for about 4 months now and has an active sponsor. Her sponsor knows as well. Her sponsor told her "we can finally move past step 1"! So I feel good about that...
I know I can't keep her from drinking...I have never doubted that since I first heard the concept in Al Anon. I know I can't fix her and I know this is her problem to own. I worry that I am enabling though...the grocery store trip last night, coming home for lunch today at her request...I'm thrilled & happy to be supportive, but I don't want her to think I am going to be able to cure her.
Very interesting about the bad feelings that have been drowned in alcohol now coming out...will be on the look out & prepared for that.
Going to a meeting tonight...Thank you all. Your words are so helpful...