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My partner is an A. She drinks secretly upstairs in the bedroom - even though I know and she knows. I find the empties hidden away. Vodka/ wine.
Sometimes she approaches me sexually. I cringe and just sit there. She sits awkwardly and then goes back to bed.
I feel violated, like mauled.
How do other people deal with the issue of sex?
I like sex, me and partner used to have a really really good sex life, but recently I just don't feel like it... not had sex for a couple of weeks really...
For me, I felt awful and used after sex with my AW, so I set a boundary - for me - that I would not have sex with her when she had been drinking, as it simply wasn't satisfying of fulfilling for me..... Now, add that to the fact that she wasn't ever interested in sex except when she was drinking, made for a very lonely existence and marriage..... Even with the loneliness, it beat the alternative....
Just my two cents Tom
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I moved into the spare bedroom on the other side of the house.
After a period of time, he would tell me that he'd wouldn't drink so much if I slept in the same bed with him. Hmmm.... and why did he drink so much "before" I moved into the spare bedroom?
Nowadays, I can sleep in any bed in the house. We are divorced.
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You have to go through the darkness to truly know the light. Lama Surya Das
Resentment is like taking poison & waiting for the other person to die. Malachy McCourt
I arrived at wanting to be loved rather than just be sexed and now it's cool meaning there is more meaningful love in my life and the being "sexed" issue is gone. Sex is a big issue in the disease and always has been. I know how to "have sex" it is the loving that I've always wanted to be given and to give and I can do that with tons of people without climbing in and out of the sack with them for however amount of time with or without the gymnastics. God wasn't sex one of the first open doors to getting involved with an alcoholic or addict? Geeeeez a nerve ending addiction that got sooo insane. "God grant me the serenity...." I wanna here more input on this subject... (((((hugs)))))
It was a pretty sad day for me when I realized the only sexual abuse I could relate to was what I had done to myself ..eventually I said NO to my husb asked him to come to bed smelling like a bar of soap and toothpaste or to please not touch me ..luckily my husb was a gentleman at heart and said he would try , he was at cronic stage at that time so could not do what I asked , he never pressured me just accepted the fact that i said no .
It is true that it is the reason we got involved in the first place. And that was the only thing holding it together, at least for me. In truth, the more he has exposed his addictive behaviors, the less I enjoy it. And the less I want it. And the fact that he always controls when we have it, how we have it (same old boring) kind of makes me sick.
At times I find him truly disgusting, but I hold on to the idea that it will be the most mind-blowing sex I ever had. It never is. My optimism sometimes, is my biggest enemy.
So I always wanted the loving as well. I am going to miss the physicalness more than anything. I pretend it's the rest, but I know in my heart that it isn't. Time to move along. I can get hugs anywhere. And from people I respect.
I confused sex with love, I couldn't separate it at all, I didn't understand the word mutual, it's only this last 4 years of a thirty year marriage with a now sober husband I know the difference, I was not I understand now needing and wanting the sex as much as wanting and needing the love and to give love, I know I have to feel this now to participate at all, I also know now I expected that my being loved by my husband was going to be a given unconditional love, because he was my husband after all and we had chosen each other, in early sobriety sex was very scarce and it was a terribly lonely time, I was very lost and confused, during that time, and that is when I began to get to know myself, I cannot demand that someone love me, and married or not we don't own someone, I used to use " if you love me"? you would ------------, now I say,
Just feels a very lonely existence. I'm not sure if I can keep on like this long-term.
At the moment I'm medically signed off work by my doctor due to anxiety/depression (long story- currently going through a lot of cr@p with my ex-wife and daughter. She has made false allegations which resulted in social service/police/family court welfare involvement, in breach of a shared residence order (joint custody), had to take the matter back to Court and it's slowly working it's way through that. Didn't see daughter for 3 months and was finishing my post graduate MSc degree. Now all the delayed shock has hit me).
I just feel totally creeped out by my partner when she drinks. I am on step 2 and it's hard. I notice the slight stagger, the slight slurring of speech. Just feel that "frozen" feeling.
I used to be upset, angry. Now I'm just resigned.
A few weeks back partner made a successful attempt at keeping off the booze for a couple of days, but it was like I was chaperoning her. She drinks only at certain times - in the evening, upstairs. She also weirdly doesn't get hangovers. Just doesn't get them. Said she never has. Whereas I get terrible hangovers if I've been drinking too much - hence me keeping off it mostly!
The trigger time, the "witching hour" as she calls it is around 5-7pm, usually leaving home, doing the nursery run etc. I used to do the run with her but I've noticed she makes excuses and has been doing it herself, or dropping off our 3 year old daughter at her parents (then presumably going to buy booze) and going shopping for some food, coming home, then the grandparents dropping off our daughter.
She never drinks and drives, or drinks during the day. Says she just doesn't feel like it and doesn't get the urge. I believe her.
I realised that this was enabling/co-dependency behaviour so stopped going along with her, chaperoning her, after all I said to myself she has to learn to do this for HERSELF.
So the last thing on my mind is sex.
I'd started confiding in a friend, a female friend - by text. There is nothing sexual between us, in fact, I've known her for about 4 years. We both mutually supported each other when we had separated from our spouses. Partner found this out and was quite upset, think that was the trigger to get sober (for a few days) - she knew what was at stake I suppose.
I admit that I do wonder "what if", what if I strayed. What if I went with another woman. But what would I do? I'm not much of a catch at the moment. I look like sh*t, I feel down, my self-image and worth is really really low. I'm currently going through the family court system with my ex about our 7 year old daughter, I feel the world on my shoulders. I am signed of work, I am on anti-depressants and beta-blockers (for anxiety) ... *hmmm*
In my experience, I have found that I used to equate sex with love. If I had sex, it meant that person loved me. Because of my childhood trauma, this rang true. And anything that felt good should also hurt. So if I had sex and allowed a man to treat me bad, that was right up my alley. That was the way it was supposed to be. Now I am learning that sex is secondary to love. I am beginning to accept myself, I am the start of this recovery. I fall still, I relapse too... But I am learning. When I love myself, the sex is so much different and so much more fulfilling....
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The past has flown away. The coming month and year do not exsist. Ours only is the present's tiny point. -Mahmud Shabistanri
I loved this topic. This is one thing I haven't been able to bring up in a meeting. I always look at the other women (who have stayed in the marriage) and wonder how on earth they climb in bed with the A. I am still with my AH, we have some very good sex...but when he is drinking (or acting like an A even though he is sober) I can find him completely disgusting (so comforting to hear someone else use that word!). I find myself praying for it to be over and then I think "What the h*@@ am I doing to myself?" It's a VERY difficult part of accepting to live with an A. "Detaching" but still having sex...hmmm...haven't quite got my head around that one yet!
In my experience, I have found that I used to equate sex with love. If I had sex, it meant that person loved me. Because of my childhood trauma, this rang true. And anything that felt good should also hurt. So if I had sex and allowed a man to treat me bad, that was right up my alley. That was the way it was supposed to be. Now I am learning that sex is secondary to love. I am beginning to accept myself, I am the start of this recovery. I fall still, I relapse too... But I am learning. When I love myself, the sex is so much different and so much more fulfilling....
I completely agree.
I can't "just" have sex, it has to be an emotional connection otherwise it's just empty ... and I might as well jack off to porn for that. What's the point?
This is great topic. I'm glad we're talking about it.
When my W comes to bed smelling like a winery it disgusts me too. That's often when she'll go from mean to horny (manipulation method #1 to manipulation method #2). On the occasions that I was game, it wasn't a good experience at all. Primarily because you can't have a warm sexual connection with someone who's not even there. I can't be any good for her either due to her senses being so dull.
I think it's a good boundary to have. No sex when you've been drinking or behaving like you've been drinking.
RE: confusing sex and love My exAH thought that sex was love. He never has figured out that they are not the same. The last 10 years of our marriage, he'd always tell me that he needed the physical aspect of our relationship to feel loved. It brings back very frustrating memories.
He went into rehab today. This is his second time. I wish him the best! However, I'm not getting my hopes up for "us." I hope he makes it for him and our grown sons.
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You have to go through the darkness to truly know the light. Lama Surya Das
Resentment is like taking poison & waiting for the other person to die. Malachy McCourt
I have the opposite problem. My AH drinks, which makes him tired and exacerbates his depression/disconnection from me. Our sex life has dropped off dramatically since he resumed drinking. Since I have yet to see him drunk, I don't know how that would impact things.
New here day 1.5, but I find this thread so refreshing. Sex is a part of relationships- We both still want it but neither one of us can ummm, when he is drinking. It does cause frustration, on both parts I am sure. He is in Rehab now, when I dropped him off he even asked about "visits". Oh he always has jokes he rarely knows he is telling them!