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Dating an alcoholic in recovery.


I met my alcoholic girlfriend from England three years ago, when I was still living in Norway. We met online, so for the first two months or so our only contact was through internet and phone calls. She told me that she was in AA and that she had been sober for 5 years at that time. I remember thinking that this made her an incredible strong person.

I knew what alcoholism was very well when it came to still drinking alcoholics. My family shared a country house in Norway with my Uncle and Aunt. They were almost always drunk! I think my parents was trying to prevent me and my sister from taking notice too much, but ignoring loud alcoholics in the same house is not possible. I heard and saw things that made me very aware of what alcohol can do to a person. That was at least what I thought for a long time, that it is the alcohol that causes that disease. Now I know better. The alcohol is just a symptom of the disease.

The first year I dated my girlfriend I tried to get into her problem. She was still going to AA after so much time! At first I didn't understand why she was not cured yet. I tried to reason with her and fix her thinking so many times. I went to many open AA meetings to find out what it was all about. I could not understand why she sometimes was completely blind for her own negative thinking without other alcoholics to point it out.

Although all this always have affected our relationship I grew to love her so much and I still do. I moved to England to study almost two years ago, thinking that our relationship would just get better and better the closer we could be.

This has not been the case. Last summer my girlfriend fell back into old behavior, relapsed (not on alcohol, but drugs and pot) and got together with a man she met at an AA meeting. The whole thing came as a shock to me. I was in Norway over the summer, we had plans of moving in together and everything was going to be so good when I could go back to England. Then one morning she called me and said that she had met a guy, gone with him home and slept with him. He was also the guy to provide her with drugs. I felt like the world was ripping apart. I went into a heavy depression myself and used half of my summer job savings in therapy. The relationship between my girlfriend and this new guy lasted a month and a half and ended in one overdose for my girlfriend and lots of pain that she still struggle with.

When I started my studies after the summer, she slowly got back into AA and even though she didnt relapse on Alcohol, resetting her sobriety date. She also got back with me. It was not easy to forgive, but I saw what the whole episode did to her and know that this was not something she intentionally did towards me.

Lately the relationship has been very turbulent. Although I thought I had accepted her disease and learned how to live with it, I still try to rush things, take control and change her ways.

Two weeks ago I went to my first Al-Anon meeting. This has been suggested to me many times before, but I have always thought that it was for family of still drinking alcoholics and not for me. But I did meet people that are and have been in similar situations as myself. After the meeting I thought that this was the way to fix the relationship, but two days later I had an argument with my girlfriend and she broke up with me. She says that we should at least have some time apart now because we are both going trough things that require our full attention. She has just started doing her steps in AA over again with her sponsor and I am preparing for exams.

The deal between us now, is to wait and see. We might get back together and we might not. I find this unbearable to live with. She has been talking about that maybe we should just be friends.

I always predict the future. And Im always wrong.

Despite the breakup or break, I went to my second meeting yesterday. Im now trying to say to myself that I go to the meetings first of all for my own sake.

After the meeting yesterday, I wrote a list of similarities I have seen so far and one of why I go to Al-Anon and now I thought I could share this with you. I see the need for change, and I think I have knowledge about a lot of what to change, but not how too.

Hoping Al-Anon can help.

 

Key situations which I recognize myself in by looking at the Al-Anon stories and literature

·        I am in close relations to an alcoholic in recovery.

 

·        I have often tried to fix my alcoholic myself.

 

·        I have tried to change both behaviour and thinking of my alcoholic.

 

·        I fail to see what is important in my own life when my alcoholic is going through a rough time.

 

·        I thought I had accepted that alcoholism is a disease that cant be cured, but am now realizing that this is not the case.

 

·        I keep repeating myself to my alcoholic. Stating something once should be sufficient.

 

·        I have lied to others to paint a better picture of me and my Alcoholic.

 

·        I have felt embarrassed of my Alcoholics behaviour.

 

·        I feel more alive during crisis.

 

·        I sometimes have problems understanding that the recovery comes before me for my Alcoholic.

 

 

 

 

Why I go to Al-Anon.

·        I believe that my actions can make things worse for my alcoholic.

 

·        I want to learn how to accept that there are things I cannot change.

 

·        I want to feel more in touch with my higher power. I believe in a higher power, but find it hard to see a direct link between me and my higher power.

 

·        I want to learn how to accept and let go of the things I cannot change and hand it over to my higher power.

 

·        By looking at my own life since I started in Al-Anon I can see that I am not well myself. I want to find a way to live a normal life less dependent on my Alcoholic and be able to give more to myself and others.

 

·        I am always ready to change my plans for my alcoholic like an emergency unit. This has felt almost like a duty to me. I am now starting to realize that my Alcoholic is probably better off without this.

 

·        I want to listen to other people with similar experiences as myself and be able to share about my progress and failures.

 

·        I want to be able to live in the moment and not predicting the future.

 

·        Maybe all my problems I want to address are built on fear. I wish to let things come naturally, loose my fears and thereby get rid of the need of being in control.

 

 

·        The emotions I struggle most with is fear, frustration and stress. I used to be a very calm person although I have always had problems when it comes to getting things my way.  I hope that by working a programme in Al-Anon can make me a calmer person.

 

·        A relationship with my Alcoholic have built up some parts of my self esteem and torn apart others. I hope that I can restore balance in believing in myself.

 

·        I hope to be able to find a sponsor I feel comfortable with and work the steps. I believe this could be beneficial for me first of all, but also increase my understanding for my Alcoholics recovery.

 

·        If Al-Anon works for me and it turns out to be a new long term part of my life I hope I can give something back to other Al-Anon members.

 



-- Edited by Cosmos on Friday 7th of May 2010 11:42:52 AM

-- Edited by Cosmos on Friday 7th of May 2010 11:44:12 AM

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Welcome to MIP, Cosmos!

I can see that I don't have to convince you that Al-Anon is the right place for you. biggrin

I had to smile when I read your post, because I too like to organize my thoughts into coherence by writing them down.  I grew up in a home with two alcoholic parents, and my two most recent relationships have been with recovering alcoholics, so a lot of your story is very similar to mine.

You've done an incredible amount of introspection and reflection already -- good job!  Self-awareness is one of the keys to growth and change.

The short answer to "how to change" is to follow your own program of recovery: keep attending meetings, read the literature, get a sponsor, and start working the steps.



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Welcome Cosmos

Great insightful post.   Your awareness and acceptance are powerful tools for change. 

AlAnon offered me successful tools that have  enabled me to change habits and thinking of a life time. 

The tools are simple  and have worked wonderfully for me  In fact  they are the foundation of how I live my life today.  They are:


Live One Day at A Time, Focus on Yourself, Pray, Trust God and Share with others in an Honest, Open and Willing manner.  This is not accomplished overnight. It is a process. 

Keep going to meetings,  work the steps, get a sponser and come back here and  let us know how it is going.

Thanks for Being Here

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Cosmos,

What a great first post from you. Welcome to the MIP family. I am very glad you found us.

Thank you for your honesty that was an amazing read from a "newbie". It seems you are in the right place at the right time and now we all are able to watch you on your journey.

Keep coming back.

Yours in recovery,
Mandy


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Hi and welcome.  Addiction is a family disease, most people do not realize they are affected by it.  A's (alcoholics and addicts) need enablers to take the blame for their behavior, so they dont have to take responsibility.  We are all too happy to bend over backwards for them, take on their issues, feelings, attitudes, jump to their rescue in times of crisis.  The A does not have to change, when we are there trying to fix, save, rescue, direct, cajole, manipulate and take on their responsibility, for their actions.  Both us and the A has issues with manipualtion and control.  Both us, blame shift, are in denial.
   The A picks up substances, while we pick up people.  We need to be needed, we try to please & accomaodate, all the while keeping score, building resentments, policing them and neglecting ourselves.  When we fixate on someone else, we are feeding the disease (for us & them) and we lose ourselves in the process.

The best way to help an A, is to focus on YOU, work your own program, face & deal with YOUr own issues, feelings, attitudes and learn to accept other people's choices and deatch with love.  The only person you can control or change ~ is YOU.  Just like the A, our issues come from a lack of self intimacy, self love and self respect.  Boundaries go a long way in doing that, if we follow through on them.

I hope u stick around and and give alanon a fair shake in your life.  You will learn coping skills for a healthy life here, and the program truly does work, when u work it.  Take care of YOU, whatver that looks like.

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Thank you all for your answers and support. I will keep going to meetings and read in my book "Path to Recovery Al-Anon's Steps, Traditions and Concepts". I also hope to get a sponsor soon. My main priority right now is to keep an open mind, then I will try to take this one step at the time. I will keep you updated.

Thanks again

Are



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I can very much identify with having an intense, turbulent relatoinship with an alcoholic/addict.  I can also relate to over reacting to their blowing hot and cold all the time.  The ex a sometimes used to refer to me as his roommate (at the same time he happily used the truck I bought!). 

I have now learned not to take A's comments so personally.

Learning to detach is such a hard one because we come here in such pain and detaching takes time to work.  I do urge you to consider working on that first because detachment can give  you a clearer perspective.

Welcome

Maresie.

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·        I fail to see what is important in my own life...

Aloha Cosmos and welcome also to MIP.  I duped that an abbreviated
it for my response.  It is one of the most serious characteristics of an
enablers life.  Without an alcoholic I was nothing...had no life.
All of the other bullets you posted matter and for me unless I can see
my self creating my own life without being compeled, like an addict
or alcoholic to include negative, life threatening people, places and
things I'm wasting my life and have an addiction to rid myself of.
I am responsible for what happens to me from my choices I learned
in Al-Anon.  I am responsible for cutting myself free from negative
life threatening situations.  That is why HP is here for me because
it seems I just cannot do it with a Higher Powers help.

You're well on your way...Keep coming back and practicing what
the others do that brings them what you want. 
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I only have one suggestion , forget what u think you know about alcoholism. do that and you will be just fine ...
You have along list of I wants == recovery takes time , be patient .


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I forgot to state one of my biggest defects: My lack of patience. This goes for my relationship and may also apply to Al-Anon. I tend to get very frustrated if I don't see results.

Recovery takes time... I will keep this in mind.

Thank you Abby

Are

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Are,
I can too suffer from a lack of patience. Just a friendly warning....don't pray for it whatever you do. biggrin HP will not give you patience but bless you with opportunities to learn patience.

All kidding aside this is something that is common with a lot of Al-anons. Focus on you, take things one day at a time and work your program.

Never forget we are here for you.

Yours in recovery,
Mandy

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 Welcome!
You are in the right place at the right time and for the right reasons!

I didn't just date A's in recovery I married them.  In my crazy thinking I figured since I 'knew' I was attracted to A's because of my being an adult child of an alcoholic I would 'outsmart' the disease and marry ones in recovery.   YIKES!    First one died after 14yrs married about 17yrs clean before he got on pain meds by the doc that caused a downward health spiral he could not recover from.    Next month I will celebrate 2 yr anniversary with A #2.  confuse What was I thinking???????????
What every good ACOA in their disease thinks... I can 'fix' him... I can 'help' him  all he needs is for me to 'show' him..........
This has been the hardest 2 yrs of my life  AND  I am learning things about myself that have been hidden from me for most of my life.

again,  Welcome........



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Welcome to the MIP family, Cosmos.  Sounds like you are in the right place.

As my time in Al-Anon passed, I noticed a lot of the things my "A" did, I did as well.

This one really stood out to me:

"I could not understand why she sometimes was completely blind for her own negative thinking without other alcoholics to point it out."

I was so guilty of that.  Frustrated why he (my A) did not see his behavior and how it hurt me.  After a while I noticed that there were a LOT of things about myself  did not see.  That perhaps it was time to focus on me and not "worry" (become entangled, try to change etc.) about the other person.  They are going to do what they are going to do, including seeing (or not) their own behavior.  And we all need someone to hold the mirror up for us on occassion.  There are some people in our lives that are so close to us, if we hold up the mirror it is dangerous for us both.  I am so grateful for the fellowship so I can have my own support system of mirror holders, and he can have his. 

Please keep coming back.

Tricia


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