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New Member: What is he? What am I in for? What do I do?


Hi I'm new here and new to the understanding that my husband is probably an alcoholic. :(

H has always drank. But, it wasn't till recently that I realized that he is a binge drinker and must have a problem. I have not confronted him, as it has not been a problem I have recognized till now. 

Here is his drinking habits and other stuff that made me see this:

Any and every celebration he gets tanked. 10-12 beers or more.

He can't stop once he gets going, especially during parties.

He drinks on weekends- about a 12 pack for 2 days, sometimes more. I don't drink with him, as I am pregnant. (I only drank no more than 2-3 beers whenever we drank, as I know my limits and must take care of my children)

He gets very excited about alcohol.

When he is around his brother in law who drinks more than him, he drinks more than I've ever seen him.

He is especially bad when he is around other heavy drinkers.

He never has had a DUI. But he has neglected our children to drink. Has negleted his familial responsibilities to drink.

Once, he got drunk at my 2 year old's birthday party, went out to a bar later and then got beat up.

If there is alcohol, he'll drink it.

He does not hide alcohol, but I've never given him a reason to hide it. He drinks freely.

He does not drink during the week very much, but I've noticed that it has increased. For instance he has not drank this week, except for Thursday where he drank a 24oz.

He will drink even though he's screwing me over and leaving me with all the responsiblity. Like leaving me with the kids when he gets drunk, etc.

He can't mow the lawn without drinking.

He can't go to an amusement park without drinking if it is available.

He can be in control when I ask him to, but he won't not drink.

When I tell him I think he has a problem, or say that I wish he'd not drink at this party he will mimimize it...or says nothing.

His uncle is a alcoholic, his dad is a drug user/addict, his mom is probably an alcoholic, his sister is married to a raging alcoholic and his brother is drug addict. His family has a culture of drinking.

He went through some tough stuff when he was a child- his mom was married to a guy (not his dad) who beat her. He had the responsibility of  protecting his siblings and mom. I think this is perhaps the "hole" he is trying to fill when he is drinking. He drinks to let loose of his responsibility and perhaps of the guilt that he feels from not being able to protect his family from this jerk.

He has a very high tolerance. He won't get buzzed till at least 6 beers, maybe.

He is never violent or mean. His drinking never gets in the way of work. He is a VERY VERY functional person. He is a great provider and hard worker. He does not go to bars instead of being with us (he drinks at home, joy.) He is a GREAT father, GREAT husband and just a good, ethical, genuine, caring guy.


I was going to come on this board, list all the things I see and ask if you think he is a alcoholic, a binge drinker, an alcohol abuser. But I have a feeling I'm trying to sink into denial. I'm trying to find a way to minimize it. Like if he's "just" a binge drinker he won't screw up our kids for life and we won't have to face a possible divorce.  Or maybe it will just stay the way it is- he's a happy drunk who only gets plastered every other weekend or so.

I'm guessing I'm feeding myself a bunch of crap. I need help.

I need to hear it straight up:

IS HE AN ALCOHOLIC? WHAT AM I DEALING WITH? WHAT CAN I EXPECT?

Most importantly, HOW CAN I PROTECT MY CHILDREN???? That is what matters more than anything to me.

Thank you for your candid and honest perspective and advice.

I need to know what he is. What I'm in for and what to do now.

Thank you.




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Hi Oppida

Welcome to MIP

YOur introduction was very clear and well written.  I understand your concerns and just wanted to tell you you are not alone. 

In reading about your husband's history it is clear that he could atend alanon or ACOA meetings.  Both of these groups are for people who grew up with this disease.  It does not appear he feels he has a problem so he will no doubt not be interested.  No one can tell if he is an alcoholic or how your life will play out..

His drinking is bothering you so that you should come to alanon. 

Alanon is for those of us who are concerned about anothers drinking.  Your family and you will benefit by your taking this action.

Help with finding local meetings near where you live may be found at the following web site:            http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/meetings/meeting.html            Or call: 1-888-4alanon

Online meetings are held in the Al-Anon chat room associated with this site.

From the board click on Al-Anon Group Meeting/Chat Room in the yellow box in upper left of the page.  After clicking on the link please be patient, sometimes it takes a while for the window to open.

Please come back and share  There are on line meetings here 2xs a day and 24/7 chat  YOu are not alone and sharing is the key to recovery.

Keep coming backL

 



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Hi... here is a standard list of 20 questions that can help you determine whether or not he is an alcoholic, but from the sounds of your post, it sure sounds like he is....  It also sounds like you need some help, and I'm glad you have found us....  I'd highly recommend you read the book "Getting Them Sober", volume one, written by Toby Rice Drews - it is a phenomenal starter book for you....

Denial is a scary thing, and can keep you sick for way longer than you need to be.... if you re-read your post, you tell us "what" your husband does, his actions, etc..... then you tell us that he is simply a great guy, great father, and great husband.....    It doesn't add up.  Choosing Al-Anon and/or recovery for yourself is an important step for you to take, regardless of whether or not he admits or accepts that he has a problem.....

I wish you well, and please keep coming back....

Take care
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These are taken from an AA website, and are pretty much a standard self-diagnosis list.

20 Questions

The Twenty Questions that helped me
decide that I was alcoholic.

The 20 Questions

Take this 20 question test to help you decide whether or not you are an alcoholic.

Answer YES or NO to the following questions.

1. Do you lose time from work due to drinking?
YES __ NO __

2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy?
YES __ NO __

3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?
YES __ NO __

4. Is your drinking affecting your reputation?
YES __ NO __

5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?
YES __ NO __

6. Have you ever got into financial difficulties as a result of drinking?
YES __ NO __

7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?
YES __ NO __

8. Does your drinking make you careless of your familys welfare?
YES __ NO __

9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?
YES __ NO __

10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time?
YES __ NO __

11. Do you want a drink the next morning?
YES __ NO __

12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
YES __ NO __

13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?
YES __ NO __

14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?
YES __ NO __

15. Do you drink to escape from worries or trouble?

YES __ NO __

16. Do you drink alone?
YES __ NO __

17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of drinking?
YES __ NO __

18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?
YES __ NO __

19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?
YES __ NO __

20. Have you ever been to a hospital or institution because of drinking?
YES __ NO __

What's your score?

If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic.

If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.

If you answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.

(The test questions are used at Johns Hopkins University Hospital, Baltimore, MD, in deciding whether or not a patient is an alcoholic).



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Hi Op!

Welcome to alanon!

Your husband sounds a lot like mine!  He could not do anything without drinking.  And he is VERY high functioning also, a college professor...in MATH no less, yes a real scientist!  He also never drinks before or at work, but boy do I remember drunken lawn mowing!  I also remember drunken bike riding, drunken family parties, drunken college and high school graduations, drunken amusement parks...drunken EVERYTHING when he wasn't at work.

I also remember the "checking out" of family life and leaving me holding the bag...permantly.  I lived like a single parent, with a trust fund or something...he paid the bills and I did all of the work!

He too denied he was an alcoholic, he ascribed to the "skid row" alcoholic portrayal and thought an educated person who KEPT a professional job could no way be an A.

Well, I ascribe to the theory of "it it looks like a snake, moves like a snake, sounds like a snake and acts like a snake, then...IT IS A SNAKE"!  He is an alcoholic alright.  Oh, and alcoholism is progressive, years ago he would never drink and drive, towards the end, he drove drunk DAILY.  He would drive so drunk I wondered how he made it into the car and got the key in the ignition, after stumbling down the steps with his eyes closed moving in slow motion.  He would drive so drunk that he would arrive home hours later, asking me if I knew where he was going and what he was doing, as he would suddenly become aware that he was driving and did not know where or why. 

It was hard to detach from that, but I did.  It was no different than people driving texting and dialing on cells, which I see people doing constantly.  Statistics show that cell phone users now cause more accidents than drunk drivers!  So, like I detach from friends and family members who text while driving, I detached from his drunk driving and went on with my life.

Eventually he stopped drinking totally, just last year, but I think it is because he got physically sick or something.  We don't discuss why he stopped, that is how much I have detached, but I can only guess.  I would think that much drinking daily would make someome sick.  Daily blackouts can cause a lot of brain damage.

He must be some kind of genius to teach college level math with such hangovers everyday.  He used to write his lectures and grade papers so drunk he would pass out chewing and food would fall out of his mouth onto his papers.  He would delay eating for hours so that the alcohol would hit his empty stomach and he would get the maximum "buzz" to blackout stage, then he would try to eat and drink some more.  Charming...

Anyway, the best you can do is go on living and learn to detach, alanon can teach you that.  Some people resent  picking up the slack for an alcoholic Dad, but I didn't.  I just came to the realization that despite the A living in the home (if you can call being passed out on the couch daily drooling and wetting his pants daily "living") I was a single Mom and I rose to the challenge.  Lots of Moms end up with the single Mom lifestyle while still with their spouses for lots of reasons.  Due to Dad's travel, work, or maybe severe mental illness, dementia, or something else, it can happen due to alcoholism also.  When you marry you  marry in sickness and health and I meant what I said when I said my vows.

Each person make their own decision though, but remember, the promise of alanon is that you can find serenity and recovery whether your A stops drinking or not, or whether you stay with them or not. 

Just sharing my ESH...

MP



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I've heard members at meetings say we do not get to define or "diagnose" someone as an alcoholic. Only an alcoholic really gets to make that determination for his- or herself.

I'm on the fence with that - part of me thinks it's baloney - I can clearly see the person has a drinking problem based on their actions, so the person is clearly an alcoholic.

However, I've been learning in Al-Anon to keep my "opinion" to myself. I'm not a professional physician where I am qualified to make that kind of a diagnoses. And the thing is, what good does it do me to walk up to someone and tell them "You have a drinking problem. I think you're an alcoholic." When I do that, that statement is loaded with expectations. It says silently "I disapprove of you and you must change so I can be happy."

For an alcoholic to get better, they really need to face the problem his- or herself and make that determination for his- or herself. When someone else makes that determination for the problem drinker, the problem drinker can decide to be defensive about it, or shift the blame of their condition to the person pointing the finger at them.

The point of the matter is I have a problem with this person's drinking patterns and behaviors as a result thereof, or behaviors that drive this person to drink. I need help in order to cope with the situation until that person can get real with his- or herself about their actions. I do more harm by sticking my nose in that person's business and telling them what I think about them, than I would if I kept my observations to myself and learned how to just work on keeping my side of the fence clean.

It's not easy.

I see those Intervention shows on television and think sometimes that the only way for people to see the light about their problems is to find a group of people affected by this person's behaviors and drinking and tell them they have a problem. Magically, they'll see the light and then go off and get help.

It doesn't always work that way, and there is a surprising number of people who sign up for treatment programs as a result of an intervention who decide it's not for them and sign themselves out quickly, finding any excuse under the book for why they don't need to be there, why they really DON'T have a problem, etc.

I can't help someone who hasn't asked me for help in the first place.

I'm glad you've come here. It's difficult living with someone whose behaviors negatively impact family life - finances, responsibilities. You're in the right place because we all live with or have lived with or know at least someone whose drinking has affected our own personal well-being.

We all understand what you're going through. A lot of us can probably repeat the same life story to you verbatim and you'd think they were spying on you or living your exact same life.

We're here for YOU.

Whether your husband is an alcoholic or not doesn't matter. It's that you're feeling affected by his drinking, and THAT's what matters, and that's what makes you a perfect candidate to post here and attend face-to-face Al-Anon meetings.

Thanks for coming and sharing your story.

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What is he ?  someone who drinks  too much
What am I in for ? every one is different no one can answer your question .
What do I do ??   find the nearest Al-Anon meeting for yourself and get some support , sounds like your going to need it .
It dosent matter how much or how often a person drinks , what matters h ere is how it affects you when he does , the questions Tom posted here are for alcoholics

-Al-Anon has 20 questions as well , if u go to the  the Al-Anon official website they are posted there and they are for you . they will  help u decide if you need our program .
This is a disease and it is progressive ,it only gets worse never better ..  there is nothing u can do about his drinking but alot u can do for yourself .
Until he says what he is doing is causing him a problem it isnt , its causing you a problem .

You can help your children by being informed about alcoholism  reasure them that they are not the reason he drinks , most kids take on the thinking that its their fault - if there have been arguments after his drinking bouts or durring your kids are already affected - trust me our kids miss nothing ,I thought I had protected my sons too ,  not . 
take care of you.  


-- Edited by abbyal on Thursday 15th of April 2010 06:41:06 PM

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Hello Oppida and Welcome to Al-Anon and our board!

You have some great replies to your questions and concerns - I could not have said ALL said better myself...

I would only like to add one thing...

The bottom line is: Whether he is/he is not, Whether you think he is/is not, Whether you have issues of him drinking or not/Whether you are trying to foresee possible issues or have experienced them already.....

It Does not matter so much WHAT he is...what matters most is if YOU FEEL you have a problem with what he is doing regarding alcohol and its consumption and the behaviors he has because of any alcohol related situation.

If what is happening in your life and your marriage is affected by alcohol, Al-Anon recommends you attend Al-Anon meetings, read about the disease, learn what Al-Anon is all about, go to meetings online or face to meetings in your area and focus on YOU....because YOU in this situation is what you CAN control and what you CAN do something about.  This is the most important first step - recognizing that WE have a problem with someone in our lives revolving around alcohol.

We did not "Cause" the problem, we cannot "Cure" the problem, nor can we "Control" the problem - but, what we can do is educate ourselves (knowledge is power) and grow to become a better person and a healthier person despite alcohol related addictions and issues.  Membership is voluntary, requiring ONLY that one's own life has been adversely affected by someone else's drinking.  You can recover whether or not the Alcoholic or the 'questionable Alcoholic' in your life is drinking or recovering for themselves.  

We have our Message Board here, for you to read on many others questions and issues - that you will relate to...

We have our open Chat and Meeting Room - with two meetings daily - which is located at:   http://www.12stepforums.net/chatroom2.html

We have information on where Face to Face Al-Anon Meetings are available to 'join' at :
http://www.12stepforums.net/alanonmtgdir.html

There is literature all over the world wide web - just type into a search engine Any words pertaining to Al-Anon or any other Recovery Program - AA, ACOA, NA, OA - you name it...and you will find a wealth of information out there to educate yourself.

Please do it for YOU! Because in Al-Anon, as well as other recovery programs  shows us we can discover that NO situation is really hopeless and that it is possible for us to find contentment and even happiness whether the alcoholic (drug addict, over eater...etc) is still drinking (or using their addictive choice) or not.  

So glad you found us and are questioning your concerns - Keep coming back! I hope to see you again, on our message boards as well as in our chat room!




-- Edited by lacewing on Thursday 15th of April 2010 11:22:56 PM

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(((((Oppida))),

Lots of good responses here.  Having been married to a functioning alcoholic I can tell you this: at some point they stop functioning.  The term functioning alcoholic is almost a myth.  When you really look at them what part of them is functioning?  Yes they may go to work (mine never touched a drop at work) and then come home. But then what?  Addiction doesn't let the addict function the way you and I do.  They have a disease that left untreated will kill them.  It was ironic that my beloved Tim passed away not of this disease, but of an undetected genetic heart defect.  However I have no doubt in my mind that it would have.  It's been almost 2 years since I lost him and I still find this place and this program useful and life saving. Please keep coming back to us.  Love and blessings to you and your family.

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Welcome! You're in the right place!!

Is he an alcoholic? I don't know, but I agree with the previous poster that I'm not sure the label matters. I honestly do believe the only person that can answer the question is him. I honestly believe that until he believes his alcohol consumption is a problem, it's not fair to decide what is or what is not a problem for him. That said, you can certainly decide what is or what is not a problem for you, and it appears that you are bothered by his relationship with alcohol! It's good you're here - this board is great, and can provide you information about how to get help for yourself regardless of whether your husband continues to drink or doesn't.

What are you in for? Everyone's story is a little different, but if you stick around long enough you'll find someone with a story a lot like yours. There are some things that seem to be common to everyone. Denial and minimization are a couple of those. It sounds like you're already becoming aware of these, which is awesome. I don't think I was aware of them nearly as early in my recovery!! :)

What do you do? KEEP COMING BACK! Keep the focus on yourself and what you need to do for yourself and your children, and take it off of your husband and how much he drinks and when.

Again, welcome!

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Hi Oppida, welcome to MIP.......

An active alcoholic (functioning or not) in my experience is always planning his next drink.....its always top of the pile. They go through the motions of life but give nothing, theyre emotionally stunted by their disease............ alcohol is their 1st love. I have a family member now 9yrs in recovery who is self employed. He recently told me that in his drinking days if he had to wait for the money to come in he maintained a shakey sobriety in the knowledge that as soon as the money arrived he would drink above all else. It was planned and executed within minutes of the money hitting his account. You have to ask if he could maintain sobriety for that period why not all the time.........well eventually his disease got him to the gutter where he could no longer work, he begged borrowed and stole for drink......it nearly took him to the grave. Its a cunning baffling and powerful disease.

You say you dont know if your husb is alcoholic, but that his drinking is affecting YOU. If you are affected by someones drinking Alanon is def for you.......glad you found us, hope you keep coming back.

(((((Ness)))))



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Welcome, Oppida!

"Qualifying" for Al-Anon is pretty simple; you get in by having been affected by someone else's drinking.  And it sounds like you have.  No tallying of drinks consumed or drunk days per week or drinking consequences required! biggrin

My own parents are probably the best examples I have of highly "functional" alcoholics.  My mother worked all her life, with only a few phony sick days as the result of her drinking, and the only thing Aism ever cost her was her relationship with her daughter -- until she died of cirrhosis at the age of 73.  My father didn't miss a day of work until he slipped and fell (drunk) and broke his leg.  But it was the pesky scatter mat beside the bed that was to blame, not his intoxicated condition, don'tcha know? no  In spite of Aism, he did incredibly well financially.  Which just allows him to maintain his denial about his drinking, since real alcoholics are those folks who live in cardboard boxes on the streets begging for spare change.

As come in all shapes, sizes and varieties.  And they're usually the last ones to know that there's a problem.



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Thank you so much, I've been reading and re-reading your replies many times and letting them sink in. I'll keep coming here and will go to the online meetings. Thank you- I'm sure I'll be posting more, I have so many questions, so many emotions, so much to muddle through. I'll pick up that book as well, thank you.



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Wether he defines himself as an alcoholic or not is up to him.
As far as you are concerned if his drinking is a problem and creates problems for you and your children then it's a problem. In alanon the program is all about you wether your H is drinking or not.
Sounds like you have come out of the denial phase and are ready to take action to do what is best for you and your children.
Denial is a powerful thing. We have all been there. I had to hit my own bottom b4 i could say my son was an addict. And thankfully was lead to alanon.
Please check out meetings in your area or online here.
Welcome
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