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?Another bad addict in prison situation.


I went and saw my convict AH in the big house yesterday. He came out and looked different. Something was wrong.

I have known him 39 years. I mean involved in every way. I asked about his cell mate if he had gotten out. He did.

Then he turned bright red, I thought he was going to cry. I want you to know this man helped me rescue animals, always helped people, never hurt anyone or anything on purpose, served 4 years in the USAF.

He became abusive after the brain surgery. Now the meds he is on, he is back to the kind man I knew. Not as quick, but he is him.

Ok they put a 56 year old, 289 pounds, 6ft. man who in in for LIFE for killing TWO people!!!! He has been in 27 years and has only 2 years of good time. Meaning he has been getting into trouble IN prison for 25 years. He has zero to live for.

My husband is 57yrs. 5'9, and weighs 169. Not very big.

Where my AH is, is a minimum security prison, in the medical unit because of the cancer and other health issues.

This guy came from a MAXIMUM prison,  to see the docs about knee surgery. So they put him in with my husband. (bad behavior and all he is still my husband)
This prison is where people go for medical stuff.

When these guys are in there they shove someone just to bug them. It is nothing like you see on tv. Or more like more than you do.

Anyway I had seen a great show on self defense we talked about that. I reminded him what a good wrestler he is. The moves I learned are so much easier than I have heard before.

Anyway then he says, if the guy does try to attack him, or "something" else, and my AH tries to protect himself, they both go into solitary.

For me I thought ok what can I do. So I said you gotta let it out. So he let out a lot of stuff. A Lot. I know right where he is. When we hugged and quick kissed g bye, I told him to be careful. He says the usual ok. I grabbed him again and said I mean it AH, watch, keep in your mind you can protect yourself. He hugged me real hard.

On the drive home, I kept thinking and saying the serenity prayer. I asked HP to please surround my AH with his huge hands, both of them, so he is totally enveloped inside. I used to see my AH in the palm of hp'
s hands. not now.

I knew that was all I could do. Which is probably the only thing and the best thing.

I feel trepidation inside. I am not worried. I am concerned.

I said to him well this sure was not anything we ever thought about before as to how he could die.

Anyway I talk to hp all the time. Today I got my hair on end, and knew I had to do some footwork. I am not going to wait until something may happen, and more than likely will, and have to raise a HUGE stink about how inappropriate this is.

Something has to be done now.

I just called the prison, they sent me to his counselor who has been wonderful to me and to him.

I told her how I saw AH, shared what I shared with you. She did not agree, she cannot do that, but she made it clear she was going to go over to security and do her best to change this situation.

I told her, this is like putting a mouse in with a lion! AH has done nothing on purpose, he has a disease. He got too many dui's. He did not rape or kill, or abuse, pervert, etc.

So anyway, I did my footwork and HP will do the outcome. I kept asking ah what I could do. I could not think of anything.

But HP is good. He guided me.

Gads you gotta know I believe after ALL this guy has put me and my kids  family and friends  thru, that addiction IS a disease.

A guy we grew up with bought 3 houses and they are places for A's to live. Forever or  until they get going! He had contacted my AH. AH is seriously thinking that is best. He can still come out here if he wants or whatever. But in town he can get to where he needs to.

He is making some good recovery decisions on his own.

For me, I feel proud of him. I feel more settled inside. With out Al Anon, you guys, I would be a puddle.

A puddle who was very sick!

Thank you for listening. IF you feel like it, give my AH some hopeful thoughts. Every time I see him his recovery is stronger.

If a person  believes they cannot get drugs in there, they are ignorant!

I never,ever had this obstacle enter my mind. any thoughts? love,debilyn

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All I can do is offer my thoughts and prayers to you and your AH. Prison is a very scary thought for me. I worried about my exAH when he was in only for a month. I worried about my son when he was in juvenile detention and in a group home. I pray daily that he never ends up in jail. I know another young man, only 17, who is in juvie for a month or two until he goes back to court to find out if he goes to jail and I worry about him daily. Hang in there. Hopefully something can & will be done to separate your AH from the monster they have put with him.

Sincerely,
QOD

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Debilyn, I thought long and hard about posting this, and please know I do understand your concern.

When I met my EXAH, he had just gotten paroled from the penitentiary, and I was feeling sorry for that man from the get-go.

His parole was violated a few years into our relationship, and he went back to the pen, maxiumum security first, then to medium security, and eventually was put on a crew to build a brand new work-release facility for prisoners in that area.

I'm more familiar than I ever wanted to be with prison life. Disease or not, he was in prison more than once because he broke the law.

He didn't murder or rape either, Debilyn, but he broke the law, and he broke it badly enough to warrant prison.

I got myself into legal trouble more than once financially all those years I was with him, and the creditors I owed didn't care that I too was affected by a disease (though I didn't know it at the time). My decisions are what got me into that trouble.

One of the hardest things I struggled with, and finally came to accept in my recovery is that life is not fair a great deal of the time.

Prison life is ugly. That is a fact. 99 9/10% of the people sitting in penitentiaries and jails aren't there because they were doing the right thing outside the walls.

It took me years and years to not get the heebie-jeebies when I drive by the penitentiary where my EXAH was incarcerated. It's located in a city just 35 miles from me, where my parents and I usually meet to get together.

Today when I drive by, I am incredibly grateful that I have found a program of recovery for myself, and I don't ever have to live that insanity again if I choose not to.

My AD has been in jail several times, and she doesn't end up there because she's innocent. Alcoholic or not, she's there for a reason every time. She broke the law. I don't make excusees for her anymore.





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Tender I agree, I wanted him to go! I knew he needed it for a major wake up call.

That is not the point though hon.

He is in a "minimum security prison." It is not meant for this type of prisoner in his cell.

In this type prison they still have many opportunities even, classes. jobs, couseling, on going doc app. 12  step programs, family meetings with counselors.

We visit them in one big room, can hold hands and hug hi and bye.

They have minimum guards.

This killer is from a "maximum security prison" to have testing done and possibly surgery. He is in A's cell temp as far as we can tell.

He is from a place that is always shut down, several guards, several bars from one place to the next. You cannot see them with out a barrier, so many more procautions.

However to put a lifer who has NO reason not to do anything to anyone with someone who is in there because they have too many dui's is not right for any reason.
He can rape and murder in very little time and not care. And no one would know for a long time.

And what kind of a person can this killer be when he has only two total years of good time in 27 years! And did he kill someone in jail, domestic, gang, burgulary?

A has told me the routine, they don't check them that often and it is MINUIMUM security!

That is why I said I was not going to wait for something to happen.

This is the only place in Oregon prison wise where they have a medical facility. They transport guys in and out there all the time.

Of course A should do his time. BUT I learned a long time ago, "the punishment must fit the crime."

This was my point. I sure do agree so please know I am so glad he went, it saved his life.

OH anyone can say anything to me on the board. I like to hear it.

Thank you! love,deb





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Like I said, I completely understand your concern! Prison systems are overcrowded, and it doesn't surprise me that this situation has occurred. I have no idea what facilities are available here in Kansas for medical needs like that. As far as I know, most medical needs were tended to in the penitentiary where my EXAH was.

Please keep us updated on the situation, okay? (((hugs)))

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Given the fact that your AH has always slipped I'm amazed you still hold out hope for him. 

As you know I set up the ex A many a time.  I had to be burned into the ground for me to stop.  I understand your concern, love and caring.  I also know you can't afford to have good heat, have major health issues, need help and need your own share of people advocating for you.  Who is doing that?

Maresie.

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