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Problem with a F2F Meeting


One of my favorite meetings is on Wednesday nights.  We had a newcomer recently (she's been there a few times), and there's just something "not right" about her.  She always seems very depressed and quite often says that she's an alcoholic (but also that her whole family are alcoholics).

Tonight she seemed more off than usual.  She actually started sharing before the person next to her was finished.  She was talking about being angry all the time and hating everyone and everything.  And she wondered what kind of Higher Power would give her this kind of life. 

She actually made me feel quite uncomfortable - I felt bad for the person she interrupted - the whole thing just seemed so awkward to me (I'm not sure how anyone else felt about it, but no one said anything to her).

Is it just me?  Am I being too judgemental?  Perhaps no one else in the meeting thought there was anything wrong with her because they see her differently than I do?  I do feel sorry for her, but I think she might need more help than just Al-Anon.

I won't be able to make it to the next 3 Wednesday night meetings because of my husband's work schedule and then me going out of town, so I guess that's a good thing.  But what if her behavior continues when I return?  Is it OK to talk to someone else in the group about it, or is that considered gossip?  My only concerns are making sure the group is comfortable and that this woman gets the help she needs.



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If the lady continues to disrupt the meeting speak to your sponsor , and see what she says , or a trusted member of your group , perhaps your group representetive , GR. 
Your not responsible for the members in your group if they are uncomfortable its up to them to speak up .
If the behavior continues  and your GR does not address the problem attend a District Meeting and voice your concerns .


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Aloha Mom...you don't have to take care of the group either.  My meetings were
also comfortable and secure and very predictable that I also wanted to protect
them and then I had to realize that that was just the reason I was in the program
for to break the urge to fix and protect the alcoholic and everything else I felt
sorry for.   Forgot the number for my HP so I thought I'd take over.  Maybe one
a week is all that is available for you now...are there more you can get to?

Just a suggestion?  Live in the moment; today.  Tomorrow and the next 3
Wednesdays haven't come yet so we can't do anything about the future especially
for 4 weeks in advance.

Ever hug a crazy person and suggest they keep coming back?  That's what
happened to me and there were times I was asked to leave meetings and then
told to keep coming back (try that and be crazy!! By the way it worked for me lol)
and look at me now (not toooo closely).  Today I'm only seen as being a "bit odd"
and but just a bit.  Most days I can stand in one place and grin for a long time and
no one will call for help.   Thank you HP and Al-Anon.

(((((bugs))))) smile

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What a fantastic question to bring up. I was actually discussing something on a somewhat similar line at my District Meeting tonight.

Aa few weeks ago at my home group, two double-winners showed up (and after their shares, it was very obvious they had an agenda)... nothing wrong with double-winners at a meeting. Most of the time I love their perspective - so long as they keep with "Al-Anon Spoken Here".

Well, these two came with the sole purpose to grumble their discontent with not being able to serve in service positions above the group level. One of these people who spoke had me both surprised and then again NOT surprised, because I know this person's been in the Al-Anon program for a LONG time. (I'm talking 20 years, at least.) The "not surprised" part comes from my personal opinion that this person is a bit of a bully with their shares most of the time, and I've just about nearly stopped attending this person's own home group because this person's methods just raise my hackles.

I was very angry and upset after they both took advantage of our no cross-talk policy to hold us as a captive audience and sling accusations at "us Al-Anoners" for giving them the "crazy-making" scene with not being clear as to WHY double-winners cannot serve above the group level. There was a long tirade from one, giving us a political history rundown in "tolerance".

Very, VERY unpleasant meeting.

So, I was a bit flabbergasted after all that had occurred. I went through a range of emotions from hurt to anger to pity. Discussed the occurrence at length with my sponsor and then had some time to get clear with things. I had many questions and observations from looking through our Service Manual and our policies, taking the "principles above personalities" approach:

#1: The purpose of our group meetings is to share experience, strength and hope in living with/interacting with alcoholics and supporting the friends and families of alcoholics.

The "share" the dual-members supplied was not in any way, shape or form, in the interest of our group's common welfare.

#2: Members of other twelve-step programs are asked not to announce this in our meetings so we can keep our focus on our common problems.

The dual-members defiantly announced themselves as AA members (and continued to express their grievance with being discriminated against because they're AA members)

#3: Our most important member is the newcomer. In the interest of the newcomer all shares should stick to supporting the friends and families of alcoholics by sharing our experience, strength and hope.

We had two new-comers at our meeting the night of that episode. Neither have returned after that meeting thus far.

#4: My sponsor sent me a memo from the WSO in regards to the continuing dual-membership in service debate that clearly states:

"The dual member policy is a long-standing policy of the fellowship and is in accordance with Tradition Six. This is also in keeping with the spirit of the Conference Advisory Actions of Alcoholics Anonymous which stated in approving the guidelines for group separation of AA and Al-Anon in 1967:

The use of the word 'family' should be deleted from an AA group's name... officers should be either AA or Al-Anon depending on affiliation and new members be encouraged to stick to either an AA or Al-Anon group since they will get the most help by staying close to the group relating to their problems."



So, now that I'm clear that many policies were just trampled over, I feel I know if this should happen again, I have some solid reasons to discourage their tirade during the meeting - and to let them know they can feel free to discuss their concerns at a more appropriate time after the meeting, at our group's business meeting, or at the District meeting.

Now it's just a question of whether or not I'll have the gumption to speak up should it occur again. It'll be one of those spur of the moment things, but I know I'll be asking my HP to guide me, guide me, GUIDE ME. One thing I know is that if I have something to say, I want to be sure I can say it with respect. If I can't be respectful, then I need to wait until I can be.

On a personal level, I feel I may eventually talk with that person individually on a one-on-one basis (NOT as a representative of the group). I've grown tired of this person's bullying methods. But I'm not on a mission to hunt this person down and give them a piece of my mind, either. Just one of those things "when the timing's right" and only if I feel my personal boundaries have been overstepped.

In the meantime, though, I choose not to spend my days freaking out and wondering "ohmygod! is this person going to show up? What should I say????"

I've got NOW to live, and since that person's not sitting here in the room with me shredding apart my share here, I've no reason to get all antsy over it.

Finally, on a kinder note, I can observe these two people's behavior (the long-time member in particular), and realize that they're apparently at a difficult time in their own recovery - they're not well, and I hope some day they'll get better.

Sorry this was so long... Thanks for the opportunity to share.

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Ugh, hijacked meetings. I understand its the one hour per week where we get what we need, feel great, connected, loved unconditionally, etc. so its particularly hard when that one hour gets hijacked. I know it well but I also think that it sounds like they are going to blow themselves out just like a big storm. No one to argue with. No one to play the game- they will go find better digs somewhere. Somewhere more drama will happen. I bet they drop out sooner rather than later. Keep an open mind. Connect with your sponsor. Go for coffee afterwards with the usuals. And yeah, check out some new meetings if you can. You never know, maybe HP is encouraging you to get out of a rut or something! hugs, J.

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I'm with Jerry and Abby on this one, your not responsible for the groups feeling or do you have to "take care" of the group. You can take it to your GR like has been said, or your District representative. I understand how upsetting it can be to have a favorite meeting and have it sabatoged by a controling member. My home group of 17 years has just recently got a double winner that has begun taking the alateen group to al-anon meetings and having the al-alateens chair in the meetings, with only one sponsor (her) to be there with the ala-teens. She likes to dominate the shares too and there is plenty of "cross-talk" that is going on during the meeting now. I talked to my sponsor (who was also the GR) and she said she had spoken to the District representative and they were going to talk to the Area rep. about the problem. It is very sad when one or two people feel like they have the "right" to "run" a meeting. All I can do is "Let go and Let God" I can't control the group and it has been reported to the proper people, so I've just got to let it go at this point.
I have found another meeting where "Al-anon is spoken here" and is not full of such sick behavior, I have to think of my recovery first. Both my sponsor and I have made the major change to having this other group as our home group. Sometimes I still go to the other one to see if things are still the same. As of last tues. they were. I doubt that I go back for awhile.

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I believe she was in the right place at the right time. For her learning, and for yours.

I totally relate to the discomfort (intense discomfort at times) of certain behavior in the groups. Here's what I've learned... my experiences are about ME. I may be intolerant, impatient or have a different expectation, etc. Or, I may need to speak up about something (I have a history of silently holding onto my resentments.)

One thing I know for sure, no matter where I go, there will be behavior that bothers me. My experiences offer me opportunities to learn something about myself, and these lessons seem to pop up, over and over.

I like this quote from Bill W: "All our experiences are but lessons of some form or another which condition us for our larger destiny. Of that, I am sure. Any way you look at it, it's a problem world. What matters, and what matters only, is what we do with our problems."

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Thanks to all of you for your wisdom. I do have several meetings I attend (usually 3 a week), so it's not like I'll be missing out on anything if I don't go on Wednesdays.

After I posted this last night, I went outside to do some reading and I started talking to God. I asked him to looks after her and point her in the right direction where He thinks she needs to be.

Then I realized that maybe he was doing that already. Maybe my meeting was the place that she needed to be. And who am I to judge whether or not someone belongs there just because she makes ME feel uncomfortable?

After that I decided that the next time she comes to a meeting, I will try to not judge her and just listen and offer support. I knew I probably wouldn't see her for 3 weeks since my husband has to work next Wednesday and then I'll be going out of town. Well wouldn't you know it, I found out this morning that they changed my husband's schedule and he doesn't have to work next Wednesday.

So it looks like I'll be making it to my meeting afterall.

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That gave me goosebumps! Thank you for sharing it. Talking to God, to become open to His Will changes everything. I just love it. Thank you again.

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Next time you attend your Wednesday meeting you might consider asking for the date of the next scheduled business meeting.  At the business meeting you might motion to have a few clear rules read at the beginning of every meeting so that everyone feels safe to share.  When there are bullies or barricudas (as I call them) in a meeting, some people are too intimidated to share, including me.

Some meeting rules might include, no crosstalk, use the I word rather than the YOU word, please share only from an Alanon point of view, please do not preach, etc.  

Good luck, sending you (((cyber hugs)))

Mrs Grat


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Most of the time I find newcomers roll along to challenge me. Good, bad, uppity or indifferent. The meetings have higher powers too. Not for me to control. Plenty of them get sick and go through a motion in my experience. Then comes running the 'Al-Anon' police. Lst time this happened, I just decided to not get involved. It' too, passed. :)

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