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Today for some reason I got to thinking about EXABF and our relationship, how it started and ended. In the beginning I ran from him as soon as I found out he was an A, for fear. He pursued diligently, and fought to get me. He even told me at one point early on that I took all the fight out of him in the begining, and I believe that.
I was nasty to him at times, refused to talk about his program. Told him flat out that I didn't want myself surrounded by a bunch of drunks anymore and did not want to hear about what they "chanted" about in their group meetings. The topic was closed, and to my wishes he went to his meetings every week, and never once brought up the subject of AA or A.
I told him MANY times that he could do whatever he liked to me, walk away if you like-I'll live, but do not hurt my son.
I was controlling, mean, nasty, manipulative and downright cruel at times, never considering his real feelings (if he actually had any back then).
I made my amends to him the first round of the steps, and again apologized for the NASTY email I sent him back in April, but for some reason today I feel REALLY guilty. He did (I think/thought) have some really good qualities-of course maybe not, maybe they were all part of his manipulation and controlling me-who knows.
I know I did what I needed, made my amends and all. And I know and remember the things he did/said to me-though they pale in comparison to the lashing out I did on him that past 6mths. I just can't get over the feelings of guilt today....I wonder where they came from all of the sudden?
Thanks for letting me share shelly
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I have experienced tremendous guilt over the years -- guilt kept me acting codependently, it urged me to jump through hoops, dance, beg anything to get the approval from my mother. I tried everything in my codependency & my issues were pretty deep. I had to work out/through my issues with abandonment & people pleasing. Those guilty feelings kept me going back to my old unhealthy ways, trying to "read people's minds" & do what I thought I had to, instead of just using very clear communication. I had & did try this tactic with my mother but it rarely gave results - to speak directly to her about codependency b/c she hadn't looked at her issues with it, ever apparently. She just stuffed it all & kept operating in that same old unhealthy unconcsious way. A few times, if I asked a simple, direct question, she'd say, 'I never expected you to do that', which helped me gain some freedom & persepctive that it was coming from my own sick mind.
When I first tried to focus on me, it brought up tremendous guilt. For the first YEAR of focusong on me, I felt guilty about it but I did it anyway, telling myself guilt was the old feeling that kept me acting in crazy, sick codie ways. That I had every right to think of me, it was self preservation. I had to continually forgive myself for the past and finally I let it go over that year.
Guilt is designed for us to do better -- I even looked it up, it says a bad feeling over having done wrong. Ok, you made amends but work on forgiving yourself to be free of it... that's how I eventually got rid of it but a year is probably just my experience, it felt like a (forever) long time. Guilt punished me & kept me "in line" for years. My mom will deny all kinds of stuff about our past but she makes no bones about the fact that she loved me doing things for her. So in our recent past, I made light of it saying, "well, my good little codie side desperately wants to help you" and to her delight, she'd say "ok!"
The last thing I did that on was a tile floor that she needed to be done. Her worker guy didnt know what he was doing & I know about laying tile, so she & I actually did the job together. It took us twice as long, as we went slow but it was nice to work closely together and I think she gained some appreciation for my ability.
The latest weirdness in my relationship with her as she runs hot & cold with me, was she never responded to any of my texts over Mother's Day weekend. Lately we text & then I'll call. She never responded to me, so I just detached. I am tempted to bring it up & ask but it's my codie-ness trying to come out & make it all right. I guess she didnt want to communicate with me that day & it's okay. I am not going to second guess her feelings, I can't. If she has a problem, she has to communicate it ~ all the times I tried reading her mind, apparently I was usually wrong. Today I am detaching & not obsessing. I sent a card & 3 texts, I have nothing to feel guilty about. I had to force logic into my sick mind. My sick mind knew no logic whatsoever. I am entitled to have my own life today. The way she acted was sur[prising but I can't take any more than that "in" or it will begin to eat away at me, like the old way. The new way, is healthy & it says, "detach & detach some more ~ I'm worth it".
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For me, when I get to feeling REALLY guilty about the past, it sets me up to be the victim. Then I can go sit on my pity pot and cry because I was so bad and mean and those poor people that I was mean to. It takes the focus off of the present, takes me out of having to take real responsibility and lets me beat myself up for things I didn't even know at the time were "wrong" or hurtful.
Guilt can motivate me to change but I will never, ever change the past. My amends do not change one single thing that has happened and if I continue to make amends for the same thing over and over then I am simply trying to control the outcome or change the past.
Guilt = self pity in my world. I can't go there for too long otherwise guilt fails to do what it is meant to do. It is meant to help me see what behavior I have that I want to change.
I heard here forgiveness is giving up all hope of changing the past. Forgive yourself.
Ahhh...good old guilt. First, accept that you feel guilty. It's ok to feel guilty if we've wronged someone. Just accept it. Then, act. Do you need to make ammends? You did that. Do you need to do it again? Maybe. It's ok either way.
Guilt is resolveable. We make ammends for what we did, according to Melody Beattie. We attempt to correct our behavior. Guilt is valueable too, from what she wrote. It's a signal we've violated our own moral code. It's believing that what we did is NOT ok. She wrote it keeps us healthy and on track.
Accept that you feel guilty and face it. From that point, you can decide your future actions.
You know it is TOTALLY understandable to react in fear and "defense mode" re: alcoholics because we were so hurt my thier drinking...
I am reading that you FELT sorrow for your actions...MADE AMENDS.....Now it is time to, and I am saying this to me, LOL, LET MYSELF OFF THE HOOK....
Even HP is "cool" with acceptance and taking responsibility, confessing, u know the step 8/9 work and then amends....and then LET GO of it because HP has....
Guilt is non productive...It , to me, keeps focus on my codepency...now Sorrow for doing a person wrong and empathizing with their feelings is much better...Then I can "tune in to them" as I make my amends and if they can't forgive me?? Well?? I did my best...HP is ok with it...Program says to do it and if I did it (amends)....I can forgive me and let me off the hook.....Hell, I forgive honest mistakes from others...Why not me???
Just me take, please use what you can and leave the rest......
Well maybe I am rationalizing, but when the guilt started getting to me, I asked myself if I was acting or REacting to hurtful behavior from my AH. I also have a daughter who is verbally abusive. I have told them both that I am sorry for the poor way I acted, but I cut myself some slack afterwards because nobody ever taught me how to react to extreme emotional abuse. I came from a fairly healthy family, and I was not prepared to be put down, used, lied to, disappointed daily. The feelings of resentment that go along with that do not always lend themselves to being cheery. Yes I could have handled my resentment for the issues that surrounded his choice to drink rather than handle issues, yes I could have responded better when my daughter learned that I could be a "FOG" victim. FOG = Fear, Obligation and Guilt and they would both FOG me into getting their way. BUT, that doesn't mean I need to take on the Guilt they heaped on me that wasn't rightfully mine, and that doesn't mean I can't forgive myself for reacting badly in extremely oppressive conditions. Hope this helps.
I think when it comes to abuse, we do what we can to keep our heads above water. I lived in a highly abusive situation for many years and the fact of this completely distorted my sense of reality. I did not know which end was up, I was constantly "gaslighted" and manipulated and controlled. I stayed. I got worse. I got nuts. I went crazy. I left when it got physically abusive (thank god almighty) and I was able to see how incredibly messed up I was living in that hell. I had a lot of therapy- when one lives in an abusive situation everything rational and reasonable flies out the window. You cannot blame yourself or feel guilty for any of that- you did the best you could with what you had at the time. Plain and simple. You got out. You are now SAFE. you SURVIVED and you are learning so much about better ways and means. You get to grow now. Focus on that- this present beautiful moment- its all we have, really. hugs, J.
I believe the steps are for ME. Making amends is for ME. I don't make amends to make anyone else feel better, I make amends to relieve MYSELF. The most important relationship EVER is with my HP. My HP knows my heart and forgives me.
I have heard that guilt is a reverse form of pride. This resonates with me, because I am a chronic perfectionist, I insist that I should have done better, I should be perfect! Alas, that can never be, I am only human.
I only knew what I knew at the time, I also suffered from a disease. Thank HP I am awake now! I try to accept my HP's love and forgiveness for me. If HP forgives me and I refuse to do so, is that not putting myself in His position? I think I know better than HP?
hehee
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