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I Will Not Talk..........


to anyone ever again that doesn't understand what it is like to have an addicted family member, in my case it's my firstborn son.  I had a friend that I thought I could confide in, someone that cared about me.

We have been friends for years, we became close when my son was a senior in high school and he was really getting out of hand, it was brutal for me, I leaned on her for support, but I tried not to wear her out either, and I did not tell her some of the most brutal aspects of what I have gone through.  She began to make little comparisons about her children (she has two) both are married and living good lives with spouses and children, she would make remarks that would sting, but I would think "she really doesn't mean just what she said, she wouldn't hurt my feeling intentionally".

Well, if there was any doubt about that it was cleared up today, comparisons were made today that could not be mistaken when she told me she was mailing her daughter a little extra money this month for necessities, but that "her children was totally self supporting and that they never ask her for anything"  "her children always worked for everything they got, they work hard and how she never has to worry about them."  She went on and on about how "she didn't have to worry about her children, the were self supporting and she wouldn't have it any other way,  because that is the way she raised them". 

I would have thought this was just a mother being proud of her children if she didn't know that my son can not hold a job, he has lost several over his drug use.  I confided to her that I pay his utilities, and buy him food.  I have not come to the place that I can see him on the street, that day my come,  but I know that I will have to live with the result of what that might bring.   

Well, I feel like I have been slapped, I am glad for her, I would never wish the experience of having an addicted son on anyone.  Why did she have to make the comparison?  I have learned my lesson, I will NEVER talk to anyone else about this except to people that understand.

Thanks for listening.


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HI Dreams over,

I learned that very painful lesson as well.  Not only friends but family members as well.  Thank GOd I found alanon and learned to only share with people who understand. 

As far as friends and family were concerned I would only talk about myself and when they brought up there children I would say "I am glad" and change the subject.

Please keep sharing here it does help


 

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I understand what you are saying. I even find it hard to talk to my A about things because he doesn't even understand and he is the one with the disease. It's frustrating at times. So when I need to chat with someone I talk to someone in Alanon and don't bother wasting my time with anyone else because they will not understand and I will just look stupid.

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((((Dreams Over))))

I have been there too. Both of my sons have aism. My best friend of 50 years (1st day of 1st grade) also has 2 boys around the same age as mine that have done well with their lives. They have married, had children, purchased homes and held down good jobs. They were never any problem growing up. I was so envious of her for so long. After I was in Alanon for so long I lost the terrible shame I had associated with the disease of aism. I realized that everyone has their own cross to bear, so to speak. My friend's husband has had horrible health problems from a very young age. He is now waiting for a new heart. She just had quadruple bypass surgery at the age of 55. I have asked myself if I would like to trade places with her and the answer is no. No one goes through this life without something traumatic to deal with sometime or another.

I worry about the next shoe dropping with my son losing his sobriety and I am sure that my bff has the same worry about her husband dropping dead at any time. I have learned so much from Alanon...the most being that we all have things to deal with and with our HP we will get through whatever that is.

Take care and know that you have nothing to be ashamed of as far as your son's disease. It is not something that we have done wrong in raising our children. I truly believe that you are born with addiction and there is nothing we can do to change it.

Yours in recovery,

Gail

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Dreamsover,

IMO, if you peel away all the layers of what your friend said there probably lies a insecure individual.  What she said wasn't really a comparison of children, but an attempt to blow her own horn.  "Look what I've done and how wonderful I am".  My first inclination when people do that is that the complete opposite is going on. 
I would venture to guess that her daughter does need the "extra money for necessities" and it's really getting to her.  There's a problem if she can't pay for the "necessities" of life. 

My guess is that she laid it on pretty heavily so she could convince herself.    After all when you are in denial you come up with all kinds of reasons and excuses. 

I would give her a mental "Yeah, whatever girlfriend!" and carry on.  No matter what her agenda is, try not to take it on.  Leave it with her.

Christy




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You do have a good point. If someone hasn't lived in a similar situation, their judgements, insights, and "advice" is really not worth it. That doesn't mean they don't want to help, they're not saying what they mean in love, and tehy're not saying anything with the best of intentions. But they truly don't understand.
The best person to work this through is a sponsor, as you work the steps. That way, you'll feel more at peace over all and gain more insight as to handle these situations as you go along. Sometimes, the best thing to say is "thanks, I'll take that under advisement."

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One of the things I love about my sponsor is that she does not compare. Comparisons can be very very difficult to deal with.  I have had my fill of them.  I no  longer compare my life so subjectively to others.

 

I understant how difficult it is to find support. When I found al anon and in particular this group I found a great gem!

 

Maresie.



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I have sometimes experienced the futility of trying to talk about alcoholism, and more importantly recovery, to people who just don't relate.  There are many who "don't get it" but are still curious and respectful.  Others don't get it - or maybe it's too close to comfort and respond with denial, or just the reaction of "I don't want to hear about your problems".

I stopped worrying a while ago about trying to hard to figure out which type I'm talking to.  If I don't know, I just weigh my options - if the person reacts defensively - or offensively - that's their problem.  I don't volunteer information, but plenty of times people ask - and they don't really want to know the answer.  They're just being small-talkish, etc.  I try not to let my program be the subject of small talk - it's too important to me for that, so if I suspect the person is just being politely curious, I will say as little as possible and move on.

DreamsOver:  even though the response may have been disappointing or even insulting to you, you learned a valuable piece of information about your friend.  What you choose to do with it, if you choose to remain friends or not - will be with that knowledge.  Knowledge is never a bad thing, although it can be painful.  I have had friends over the years who are extremely judgemental - sometimes a downright pain in the ass.  Some of them I kept because they were the only friends I had at the time.  Now that I have a lot more friends, those people have faded away in their importance. 

I recently began corresponding again with an old friend (male) from college.  We were very close back in the bad old partying days, but have had only intermittent contact since.  What's amazing to me is how much he reminds my of my *ex wife* just in exchanging a few emails.  I don't want to break off all contact, but it's obvious that I'm not the same person I was back then - who tolerated having my buttons pushed constantly, just because it was better than drinking my beer alone.  So we exchange a few newsy emails, and then lay off a couple of years.  And that's about how much I communicate with the X.

Barisax

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Good post Dreamsover....thank you 

A friend of mine of over 45 yrs, from infant school, to dating, to marriage, through the death of her youngest son to the hell of my son's alcoholism...we shared it all....I now haven't seen her for 9 months.

I would share a little, not a lot, of whatever trauma was unfolding...and she would share yet another success reached by her son, his star was rising as my son's was dimming

Her husband is a paramedic, and on one occasion last year had to take my son to hospital.
He obviously shared the true squalor of my son's life with her and she started distancing herself.

So I've just let go. 


I too have found that family members are afraid even to mention his name.

I share very little with friends or family now, for all the reasons mentioned here and I SO agree that unless you have lived what we are living there is no true understanding.
 
In finding, firstly, MIP and then with the gentle encouragement and support here the courage to go to f2f...in Alanon I have found a family full of understanding, ES&H.

Ness


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I truly understand how you feel about comparisons, but any of us who have children that have addictions should also know that no matter what it is, we have been blessed with these children. They were given to us and no one else, there is a reason for that. I don't yet know what it is that I am supposed to do to help my child but I try each day to support him. Sometimes it is financially but mostly emotionally. WE can be so hard on ourselves. Cut yourself a break. You can't control what someone else thinks and feels, she hasn't walked a mile in your shoes and they may be why she wasn't not given a child with an addiction. I don't know. But I know that I have to remind myself that my son is a blessing from my HP and there is where I try to start when I feel frustrated and discouraged. It is not easy but it does help me deal with him. It helps me, I don't know if it would help anyone else.

Yours in recovery,
wildthang86

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"Knowledge is never a bad thing, although it can be painful".

That just about says it all, thank you everyone for sharing your similar experiences, and your thoughts on that experience.

So sorry you are all here, but so very thankful that you are.

Dreams Over

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If someone doesn't live with alcoholism, they absolutely don't understand ~ they say, "it's just alcohol what's the big deal?"

I used to try to talk to my mom about my feelings & the painful growth I was having but this therapy stuff is hard for us to go through -- one day I finally realized it would just be better for her if she didn't have to hear about it.  Now I keep it to other al-anons as well.

DreamsOver:  I truly believe I'm a much more compassionate person b/c I grew up acoa.  I used to hate it & feel the stigma of having this disease in the family but today I am very grateful -- I love the person I am now but it's taken me a lot of growth to get appreciative for it.

-- Edited by kitty on Friday 10th of April 2009 03:28:29 PM

-- Edited by kitty on Friday 10th of April 2009 03:28:58 PM

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