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When love dies


I haven't been to this group for a long time.  I'm not a group person, mainly a loner.  I married a recovering alcoholic 26 years ago.  One of the foundations of our marriage was that he remain sober, and so he did for 18 of those.  I couldn't have asked for a kinder man, a more trustworthy partner, or better father for my children.  But for years now, since he picked up that bottle, I've been living with a stranger.  He's a quiet drinker, late at night, isn't loud or openly abusive.  But he's pessimistic, bitter, quick-tempered, and generally nasty to be around now.  Our children are grown and gone so it's just him and me.  I realized the other day that the 7 kinds of antidepressants I've taken over the years have failed not because they weren't the right kind, but because they couldn't magically turn my husband back into the man I married.  I don't want to leave him.  After a quarter of a century, what's the point.  Left to himself, he'd lose these respectable surroundings and be found dead in some smelly apartment surrounded by empty vodka bottles.  Then I'd have a lot of explaining to do to the family.  I thought nothing could be worse than discovering he'd broken 18 years of sobriety, but I was wrong.  It's much worse knowing that you don't love your partner anymore.  I'm sure I'm "enabling" him,  or whatever word is appropriate.   But for all those years of goodness,  the beautiful children, the nice house we have----I can't abandon  him to a dishonorable, lonely death.

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I know exactly what you are going through (though my husband and I have only been married 8 years, and he's never really been 100% sobor).  He too is a late night drinker and not abusive.  He's able to keep a really good full time job, works around the house, etc.....but I just can't stand to see him drinking, I can't stand the smell of the alcohol on his breath.  Everytime I see a glass in his hand, my blood pressure seems to boil and I just really feel distain for him.  When that happens, I try to tell myself that whatever he does to himself is his choice and I can't do anything about that.  I've learned to make myself happy doing what I like to do, and don't expect him to be involved.  When he's drinking, I just go to the other room and let him be.  This is my second marriage and I just (at least at this point) don't feel like leaving the relationship.  We had a huge falling out about a year ago (at the same time I was diagnosed with a life 'changing' disease), and he was all packed to leave....it just didn't feel like the right thing too do at that time.

I sometimes wonder if his drinking problem is more my intolerance for alcohol or does he actually drink too much? I truly think it's a combination of both: Yes, he drinks too much but I also have grown over the years to not like alcohol and all that comes with it. I'm a thick headed person, who likes things MY way and can at times be very controlling!  I'm learning to let go, and allow life to 'just' happen.

I have my issues to work through, and he has his issues to work through.  I try less to focus on what he's doing and try more to focus on what I'm doing and how I handle things.  That has worked for me. smile

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Your post could have been written by me.  BTDT.  I've been w/my AH for 23 years, and had over 14 years sober before picking up again also.  These past couple of years since him picking up have been hell, and getting worse.  At first it wasn't so bad, like your husband he was never mean or abusive.  But the progression is unreal, I just couldn't live with it anymore.  I had him leave our house.  
He just recently got out of rehab, and of course, we are trying to work on our marriage, but I don't know if it will ever be the same.  I know I don't love him like I did, but thru f2f Alanon and reading and posting here, I've realized that sometimes it's more anger, resentment, etc. than lack of love.  I believe that sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.  I'm cautiously optimistic.   Alanon has helped me immensely and so has posting here.   
Keep coming back.  It works if you work it (so work it, you're worth it).   

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RO- I hear a lot of depression in your share. A lot!!

I am really sorry about that.

You are here on this planet, living a life and have somethings to do. You have a life!! I would encourage you to work our program and focus on you and what you have left to do here on this earth before your time is up. we are so lucky to be here, right here, right now! Sitting around in a depressed funk is not what your HP wants and ultimately its not what you want either- or else you would not be so depressed!!

I know how it feels- really well. I want you to know you are not alone. Please keep coming back- hugs, J.

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Your post saddens me.... not because of anything to do with staying or leaving.... but I wonder where YOU are in this mix?  Your thought pattern is currently all around him, and doing what is "nice for him", but I guess my hope is that Al-Anon, or a program of recovery for YOU, will help remind you that YOU are worth being cherished, cared for, and deserve from peace and happiness too....  It's not always clear how we are going to get there, and each of us have a different set of circumstances, but YOU are worth it....

Take care
Tom

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Thanks for everyone's thoughtful replies.  It felt good to get it all out on paper (uh...screen smile.gif  As far as "me" and what's good for "me" well....when you've been married for 26 years that's a different concept.  I'm 55 years old and don't want a new mate (not that my extreme loveliness wouldn't attract one  <kidding>).  I've already been over the scenario of living alone and know I wouldn't be better off.  Financially, divorce would be devastating and our children, even though grown, would suffer emotionally.  I can't leave my alcoholic husband because he's too much a part of me and who I am---who WE are.  His photos are in the album, his name is on the checks, his clothes are in the closet, my kids look like him, his towel is on the bathroom rack and on and on.  Of course I'm depressed.  We were supposed to be in our little retirement cabin by now enjoying the fruits of decades of labor, or traveling.  Instead we avoid each other and he waits for me to go to sleep so he can resume his affair with his mistress alcohol.  His brain is already deteriorated to the point where I don't trust his driving so road trips are a nightmare of anxiety for me.  He hates himself and knows he's ruined our marriage but at this point we're drowning in quicksand and are just waiting for...his death, I guess.  Occasionally there's a blow-up but life is so much easier when we back away from the subject.  I'm tired.  Sorry to be so depressing, but things *are* different when you've been married for so long.  I have my hobbies and my own friends (we've long ago lost mutual ones because of him) but I'm still here in this haunted house, where I raised beautiful children, but which resonates with failure.  I have a great sense of my own self-worth, but how could I possibly enjoy it at this point?  I don't feel like clicking up my heels in the face of 26 years down the drain.  Again, it was wonderful to read all your perspectives and advice---thank you.

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Oh boy can I ever relate to this. I have been saying alot lately to myself, can the love that I used to feel and have ever come back? My Ah knows I don't feel the same way about him anymore but just hopes that someday my feelings will return. In my heart I feel life is to short to settle for staying with someone when there are no feelings left but I'm not ready to make this change. I keep hoping our life will magically become all I've hoped it could be, but will that time ever come?

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tms: It's interesting that our situations are the same but your husband drinks in front of you.  Secrecy and hiding his bottle are a very big part of my husband's illness.  I've even said, for god's sake just have a DRINK and quit tip-toeing out to the garage at midnight.  But now I wonder what my reaction would be if I actually saw him.  I've seen him drink ONE beer in 26 years and that didn't bother me as much as watching how his personality changed before my eyes.  I used to look for his bottle and triumphantly shove it into his face the next morning.  Then I learned it was smarter to pretend I didn't know where it was so I could gauge how much he was drinking.  He's drinking about 4 inches down of a 100 proof large bottle every night.  Or enough to make a normal person puke their guts up I guess.  Now he's moved his bottle again so I don't know what his intake is.  It's the secrecy that's another erosion to the marriage.  He says he's trying to "protect me from being upset" by not drinking in front of me, but that's such bull.  The sneaking is part of the disease for him, and probably adds to the experience.  I wonder, if your husband drinks overtly in front of you, that is his way of saying... I don't know.  I guess he's thumbing his nose at you?  Maybe trying to rile you?  Letting you know he's the king of his castle?  I don't know if watching is worse than imagining.  Try to take care of yourself.  I know how hard it is and I do understand.  And for all of you who are in this position---I don't think a true and trustful marriage can survive it.  I consider myself invisibly divorced, or in Divorce Purgatory.

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reaching out,

At least you are reaching out now. It took me along time to reach out. My scenario and experience, strength, and hope is as follows. I have been married for almost 35 years. I am going on 59 years old. Our three boys are now grown and out on their own. My AHsober (sober for over 20 years) said I don't love you, I want a divorce, and moved out three years ago. I was devastated. He was always a good provider and good father when he was "there". Although he didn't drink he picked up other addictions such as computer games, TV, smoking. I consider those addictive behaviors his "bottle". Well, the divorce hasn't happened, I see him occasionally usually around functions with our sons. He generally avoids me, won't share his new life with me. We had spent a lifetime planning, saving, and me-keeping our little family together. I am so sad and in pain about that life that is lost. Financial freedom, life together in our little cabin, visiting our grandchild together, and growing old together.

My esh is: you can be alone, you can take care of yourself, you can find love and help from other people, this isn't about you but about him and his addiction, your children probably don't want you to be living this life for them, it does suck (I don't know how my life will turn out), alcoholics slip and it is up to us to let them go, read the Getting Them Sober books, go to face to face Alanon meetings, it sucks even more when you are an old lady like me and you think it is your fault, fake it until you make it, the only answer is in listening to our higher power and the plan for us.

If abbyal-Louise answers your post she will say that the alcoholic deserves to live his life the way he chooses. Hope this helps. Keep coming back.

In support,
Nancy

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The tools of alanon can help you, in this situation, very much.

A big part of the program, to me, was the realization that it was OK, not disloyal or defeatist, to look straight-on at what I had, without sugar coating.  To say "This is what IS. Is it enough?"  The idea of what a marriage SHOULD be like is useless to those of us married to alcoholics.  All it does is make us bang our heads against a brick wall.

So - is it enough?  The home, the financial security, the emotional security for the children, whatever connection there is after all those years.  Pile all that up, and then look at what else you need for happiness.  Can you find a way to get your joy in life without looking to your husband for it?  There's a lot of emotional satisfaction in this world, and it sure doesn't all have to come from a man who wouldn't know how to give it anyway.  Close friends, children and grandchildren, animals, activities that you really enjoy, spiritual growth, learning, committment to a cause - none of these things have to have a sober and healthy husband in the picture in order for you to add them to your life.  He can be sitting down in the basement drinking - it doesn't mean you have to be sitting upstairs looking out the window and crying.

My husband died last year.  So, all the things I wasn't getting from him because he was an A, I'm still not getting.  I'd be very surprised if I ever got involved with another man in my life, so I'll never be getting a lot of things. And that's OK. There is more than one way to be happy in life.  What satisfaction you get from your life is your choice, not your husband's.

Alanon meetings and readings were a big part, for me, in seeing this, and helping me keep the focus on me.  I'd suggest you get to meetings if you can, and read and involve yourself here. It doesn't have to be this bad.


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I don't know, I think we are here to be happy, joyous and free: please read the Promises of Al-Anon and you will see that change is possible and that it is up to us and our choice! I can only make good choices for me and you can only make good choices for you. But I do think we are here to be happy, not unhappy and depressed. Please keep coming back, attending as many face to face meetings as possible and reading the literature. My life used to be full of despair, tears and depression and I can tell you that it is not that way today and its because of this incredible program.

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Your title of, "When Love Dies..." attracted me to this thread. That is exactly how I feel this week.

I don't know if it is because I started Al anon last week, my first meeting or because it has been a tougher week with AH this week...but I feel we have no relationship anymore. It is all slipping away so quickly now.

We have been married for over 40 years. Teenagers when we married. The drinking has been a problem for about 20 years or so but really bad this past 8 years...and as all the literature says...it will only get worse.

So as to brace myself, do I withdraw my love and patience to save myself? This is what has surfaced for me this week.

Step 1. I am powerless over the alcoholic.

Looking forward to Step 2. on Monday night.


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My circumstances are almost the exact opposite of yours.  I knew my husband was an alcoholic when I married him.  Of course, back then alcoholic was an ugly word to me and I refused to accept that's what he was.  To me he simply had a drinking problem.  Add in the fact that I had a bit of SuperWoman in me...I was SURE I could change him.  He finally hit bottom and quit drinking in November, 2003...I was ecstatic.  I was so sure that things could only get better for us since alcohol seemed to be at the root of so many problems in our relationship.  Sadly, it didn't go like I thought it would at all.  I realized that my husband was two different people...there was the sober person and the drunk person and the differences were like night and day.  I discovered that neither one of us ever really knew each other at all and I didn't like the man my husband had become.  Secretly I wished that he'd start drinking again...bad I know.  Finally, three weeks ago, after 19 years together (almost 16 years of marriage), I packed up the kids and left him.  I decided that I can't do it anymore.  I'd rather be divorced and alone than married to a stranger and alone.  Good luck to you.  It won't be easy regardless what you do.

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Reachingout:

I can relate to your situation.  I have been married 34 years and have 2 grown children in their thirties.  We have a nice house in a great neighborhood, good incomes, and most importantly, the majority of our extended family members, friends and neighbors are loving and supportive. 

But as the years went by, my husband began to turn to the bottle more.  It got to the point where he chose the bottle over our marriage because of his addiction.  The last 5 years, prior to his rehab, was pure hell.

It sounds as though you are minimizing your plight.  I did that too for a long time.  I feared the changes that would take place if I stood up and claimed my true feelings:  I had had enough of my AH's drinking (in the garage, never around me,) the lies (no, I haven't been drinking, I am just tired,)  the worry of another DUI, the worry of his job loss (he must drive for his job,)  the humiliation of neighbors and good friends witnessing his drunkeness, becoming and recluse because of my feelings of humiliation, and so forth.

Through reading books such as Toby Rice's and Eckhart Tolle's and getting individual counseling, I found the courage and strengthen to stake my claim in life.  As Jean posted, we have a right be happy, productive, self-respecting individuals.  I do not think we were designed to be martyrs, to be self-sacrificing, to be someone's doormat.

I got to a point where I was tired of worrying about how others would perceive my choice to separate from my husband of 34 years ( I did so in Aug. '07; we are now reunited after he went to detox and rehab).  When I did inform my family and friends that I decided to separate, I got nothing but support.  (I truly had given up on my husband ever changing.)

I left our home.  I had to move out without his knowing, for I feared that he might do us both in.  He was very depressed at this stage and threatened suicide.  I moved into an apartment for 8 months before returning to our home.  I discovered that living on my own was invirgorating, not scary.  For the first time in years, I came home to peace and the knowing that he would not come home to drink in the garage, come into the house to verbally abuse me, and then crash on the sofa for the night, only to do it the next day and the next.....  During my apartment days, I had very little amenities.  I could have cared less.  It was a wonderful experience.  It gave me so much self confidence.  The experience was priceless. 

As I have said, I have returned home.  Things are going fairly well considering the past.  Healing and growing as a couple is a process.  However, I do suspect that my AH "falls of the wagon" once in a while.  I do not go searching for evidence in the garage as in the past.  I know, without any self-doubt, that if my hunch is correct, it will become quite evident in the near future.  I also know that if he falls completely off the wagon and shows no signs of helping himself, I will leave again, this time for good.

I would rather live in a meager apartment and live paycheck to paycheck, then live with all the material things that our combined income can provide us, then live with a husband that chooses the bottle over marriage.  I am so certain of this that I do not fear the future as I did before our separation.  I can be happy with or without him.  This, I know for sure.  My happiness depends on me, my outlook, my choices, not on what my husband chooses to do.  This truth gives me invaluable peace of mind.

Sorry this is so long!  I hope it helps some.  I wish you the peace of mind that I have found.



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Hi,
I just wanted to thank all of you for sharing...great eye opener.
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