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Hi guys, My mother has struggled with alcohol since her teens to about 4 months ago (she's in her 50's now). To make a long story short, I thought how I grew up was normal, and that I was the abnormal one. I now know that it was quite the opposite! About 4 months ago my mother attempted AA (yet again). For the first time in her life, she's been sober 4 months. My problem is, she wants/needs our support, but I cannot do it, as I resent her SO much. I have not forgiven her for many, many things. I am afraid to bring these things up, as she probably doesn't remember them anyway, and I'm afraid that if I did, she'd 'relapse'. She's pretty fragile at the moment. I don't know any other people who grew up in an alcoholic household, so I can't really talk to anyone who would understand or not get uncomfortable about it. I'm really trying to figure this out, as I am going to visit my family for the first time in years in September. I'm hoping it doesn't turn out as 'great' (*insert sarcasm here!*) as the last time I saw her. Sadly, we haven't really been in touch much since then. She's toxic to me. Any advice guys? Thanks!
My experience strength and hope is to attend as many al anon meetings as possible as soon as possible. You will find a whole bunch of cool people who would be happy to talk about alcoholism with you- you are so not alone in this! Hugs, J.
I agree - the place to find people who grew up in alcoholic homes, and who can give you some insight about how to handle this, is at alanon and ACOH (adult children of alcoholics) meetings. The alanon book "From Survival to Revcovery" might be useful to you - it's written from the perspective of those who grew up with alcoholism. I'll let you in on a secret, though - every one of us here has hated the alcoholic in our lives, at least sometimes, at least a little bit. They are not easy people to love.
In your case, right now, I'd try to find ways to keep it simple. When you go to see her, don't expect much. Make sure you have a "Plan B" - a way to get away from things if they get too overwhelming. Stay at a motel, not at the home of anyone toxic, for example. Remember that you do not have to react to everything people throw at you - you can just say "You may be right" and let the subject drop. If you feel able to set some boundaries about things you will not accept, that might make things more manageble. Just walking away from people who are abusive, for example. You can leave the room, leave the house.
I wouldn't put too much energy into worrying about pushing her back over the edge. You can't make her drink if she is truly committed to sobriety, and you can't keep her sober if she isn't. This early in sobriety probably isn't really the time to tell her in graphic detail what you really think of her, but you don't have to walk on eggshells, either.
One thing that might help you deal with your anger and hate is to remember that she's sick, not bad. The end result might have been the same - the things she did and didn't do to and for you - but although she may have chosen specific actions, she did not choose to have this disease. You still have every right to protect yourself from her - recognizing that she has a disease does not mean that you have to allow her to continue to abuse you.
Hi... and welcome... my two bits is that your mother really needs to lean on her recovery group right now, and NOT you guys.... hopefully she has a sponsor, her AA, her readings etc.... in early recovery, I don't know that there needs to be all that heavy of a reliance on you & other family members.
I would encourage you to read the Getting Them Sober books, by Toby Rice Drews. She has one that is specifically targeting the "early recovery" time, and it will likely give you tons of great insight...
Like the others have said - the way to get past your anger and stuff starts with you, and YOUR recovery.... Al-Anon is a wonderful start...... as is posting here.... as is reading good books on the subject....
Take care Tom
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Wow, I can really relate to your post. It is important to get to a face to face meeting, so that you can meet ppl in your area. Most all meetings pass around a clip board, that you can add your number to and get numbers, to call someone to talk to. I also tell new commers, to pick up a beginner's packet of pamphlets and get all the other pamphlets you can, read and study them. The Merry go Round Called Denial and A Guide for the Family of the Alcoholic were the two that helped me the most to see the behaviors in my family unit. It helped me to identify what I was giving energy to both with my emotions and actions. This Board is a great place to get informed and get some support. You can search by topic and read for days. Also, in the chat room where there is 24/7 chat, we host 2 meetings on-line daily, that can be another great place to be.
As far as letting go of resentments and forgiving, that can take a long time. Don't stress yourself over it or kick yourself for not growing and changing faster. The transformations take time, effort, work but it can be done, I am a prime example of hope. I was so hopeless and full of anxiety for most of my life, I was always walking around contemplating suicide. My therapist reminded me, that forgiveness can be done in layers, a little at a time. The deeper I delved into my psyche, the more I found, so I could just let it come up and out, acknowledge it, feel it and release it.
I am still working on not hating my step-father. I don't want to hate him but he has hurt me so much. I don't want to hold any grudges b/c I know it only hurts me. It doesn't matter what I do, I can't influence him to drink or not drink, to talk to me or not, to love me or not... A's will do what they want, just like veryone else. If you had told me I wanted to be manipulated & feel like crap, of course I'd have argues with that. The fact is, I can work out my feelings and I am not a victim. I can be well adjusted and happy in spite of the painful experiences I have had. I don't have to keep allowing the past influence my right now, my wonderful today!
You are in the right place, keep posting, sharing, we are here for you. Welcome to the Board.
p.s. The book 12 steps for adult children will speak directly to you and your issues, if you're interested.
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We call it pity and punishing. I have to walk a thin line in my life to not go there. I do know the rewards though. If I'm in pity or punishing, I'm generally obsessed and I know where that goes.
All that feedback and suggestions are what helped save my life after I had nothing but resentments against my alcoholic and myself...and everything else for that matter. I blamed every person, place and thing except my self. That came later just about the time when I learned in meetings to hate the disease and love the person. That worked for me since then up to now regardless of the dis-ease.
I do that by stopping to hate her. She is sick and toxic, and I choose not to be near her; I chose to divorce her; I chose to discover a happy, joyous world without her. And that does not make me a horrible person.
My mother is very codependent. She is also toxic to me. I choose to keep distance between us... I think that that is healthy for me.
Your mother may ask for and need support to get sober, but that is not your responsibility. YOUR responsibility is to take care of YOU, and make sure YOU are living the kind of life YOU wish to live.
The toxic people that I HAD in my life usually held me EMOTIONALLY HOSTAGE. It seemed as though it was up to me to pull them through, or up to me to make things okay.... bullshit. Not today. That doesn't happen to me today because those people that make me feel this way are not in my "inner circle" -- where I trust and love unconditionally. I have detached from those people; some I've been able to detach from lovingly and compassionately. Others, I just needed to create space and distance.
Hope this helps, and hope it finds you taking time to enjoy life. brightest blessings, cj
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Hi everyone! Thanks so much for all the replies! I'm so happy that people can relate. As a short-term idea, I think that when I go visiting I will try to stay with different relatives here and there so the tension won't be so much. I think it works out great, cause I can visit with them as well. As for long -term, I really think I need to go to Al-Anon. I've visited the website countless times, and once even got ready to go to a meeting, but I chickened out! I live in a smaller town, and due to my line of work, I'm afraid people will recognize me and I don't want my co-workers to know. I know that it's not something I should be ashamed of but 'outsiders' sometimes pin a stigma on those that grew up in alcoholic households. Until I grow a backbone, I think I'll track down some of the books suggested by you guys.
It's just all really hard sometimes, but I'm glad for the support. THANKS!
Our tradition of anonymity is very strong, and is taken very seriously - the program could not work without it. I also live in a very small town, and was a bit surprised at who I saw at my first meeting. Word had not gotten around, and in my years at the program, I've never had any experience of 'leaks'. Just remember, anyone at your meeting, who could "tell" on you, is there for the same reason you are