The material presented
here is not Al-Anon Conference Approved Literature. It is a method
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information, ideas, feelings, problems and solutions on a personal
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But I am going to be "coachable" in life and try this out... I have never thought AlAnon would have anything to do with me- as I date a man with time in AA. He has 10+ years and is very very active in AA, very recovered, a speaker, sponsors men, who sponser men, yada yada yada. My impression up until this morning is that I thought AlAnon was for people who suffer from others drinking and I dont have that experience at all =) I did not know him until he already had 6 years sober and living an extaordinary life.
Today I found myself getting some coaching and she suggested I come to Alanon. My long time boyfriend has decided that he does / can not share a home with me (or with anyone else for that manner). His reasoning is completely insane and he admits he has some areas that he needs to work thru. (However I am not sure that he is willing) But I think why I am here is that I am trying like hell to work this out for him, I continue to be flexiable, I have everything work out with our schedules so that no matter what- all the "to do" list happens, but the truth is that I live alone five days a week and I dont want to "date" for the rest of my life. And more importantly I really do get that he is being down-right crazy, is living in fear, is living in the "past" regarding issues with relationships and bad home lives, trusting others, etc. . (This is a very uncommon thing for him to do in most if not all areas of his life).
So I suppose I my question is this- is there anyone else here that shares a life with a long time sober A? Does Alanon help you understand or deal with the A's thinking/ disease of the mind? I am about to the point of having to walk away from this relationship and you have no idea how heart broken and sad I am. He is a wonderful man and he makes a huge difference in the world. I just know that my allowing his head to run the show as far as our future as a couple is concerned- well it is just not the right thing to do.
Thank you for any advice you can offer, ~ A Birdy Told Me~
I have half a mind (most times that's a plus LOL) to have my wife respond to your post and then it would break her anonymity and maybe alter how she does because this is my meeting only and she has never attended. Might be interesting tho!!
He has 10 years plus sober, does all the program stuff with service up to and including grand-sponsees and he's got cold feet too....Well we have that one covered...It's about progress not perfection and the program doesn't promise guarantees. We work this program on a daily basis. We don't work the pass cause we can't change how it came about and we can't work something that isn't here yet so we leave the future alone also. All we got is today; nothing more and nothing less. If we do this 24 hours as best we can and continue to learn then if we have a tomorrow we can take our growth into that and be excited for it.
If all we have ever done is worked on not drinking...that is all we have ever done and the rest of the other important life stuff will continue to cause us fear and tepidation and drive us farther away and deeper into doing only that one thing we do...don't drink.
The recovering alcoholics and addicts I hang with today and work this recovery experience with today don't drink and use and they go after solutions to life problems other than just not drinking. These people are admirable. They are courageous. They sit, listen, learn and practice and pass on what they have learned that makes their life so truely beautiful...and they don't drink. We network and talk with each other about a megaton of lifes little quirks and quakes that would drive otherwise normal people into a frizzle and practicing alcoholics back deeper into the bottle and they don't drink. We talk about gratitude for what we have mostly starting with our HP and then down from there to stuff that might appear trivial to a normie but mountainous to an alcoholic and addict and what we say about what we know and how we feel and what we've learned from each other and how it has helped us to change and sustain our recovery and we don't drink.
My understanding of the second step and the sanity I am returned to is that I was insane trying to have the usual things in life and a life itself while drinking a chemical that altered me. I truely went insane from trying to attain normal while being abnormal. Now that I am no longer using mind, mood and physically altering chemicals in my life I can approach and participate in things like relationships with a person or many persons and many persons outside of the program also.
You mentioned the "F" word. To an alcoholic the "F" word is FEAR. To an alcoholic in recovery looking for a level managable life with self awareness and self determination the acronym for FEAR is False Evidence Appearing Real. We learned that most of the inner evidence and justifications we use to fade from facing responsibilities or new growth is False and therefore not real enough to hold us back. There is another acronym for FEAR. It is very descriptive of fear and panic. F__k Everything And Run. I am sure you get the first word. This is the acronym for those who just don't drink and thing that is all they are every supposed to achieve in AA. If you can get a hold of his Big Book and I am sure he will share it with you proudly...dive into it to understand alcoholism from his side of the mirror.
You want to get close....He wants to get going. It might end up this way if he continues to hold his position and status and you run out of patience and desire. If he decides to alter a bit it has to be for him and not you and still you don't have any guarantees. You can decide to pull back and go see your own awareness and understanding in Al-Anon and because both programs have the very same steps, traditions and slogans with similar philosopies you may find yourself walking in the same direction and not in the same shoes.
This is a choices program. There are soooo many choices. Best to look at the consequence you want and decide on that than make the choice first and never get close to anything you ever dreamn't of or expected.
Welcome to MIP and you have come to the right place.There is much growth and support here and also in face to face meetings. I have been married to an alcoholic for 38 years.He drank most of the first 20 and got sober with AA in 1989.At the time I was strongly encouraged to go to Alanon,and I did some.I just could not open up to people and to the program though I tried many times.I just hated going to meetings.I was very closed minded,believed I didn't have a problem HE did. Now that my marriage is over,I have often wondered how things might have been different if I had stayed with Alanon and allowed myself to be open and really listen and work the steps. I came back, thanks to this site, in 2006 when he made it painfully clear that he wanted a divorce.I still could not go to meetings but I clung to MIP and this message board and 'attended' the online meetings here often. Since I have been working the Alanon program,I have changed so much and MY inner life has changed.I am not totally focused on him anymore and I can finally tell you how I feel and what I like and don't like.I am actually enjoying my life.It hasn't been easy but it's worth it.I also get along better with him than I ever did.He hated my focus on him,which is one of the reasons he wanted to get away from me.I understand that now. I hope you will stay with Alanon, there is so much you will find out about yourself.You have been affected by the disease of alcoholism in more ways than you realize.
Welcome Birdie, Please keep coming back. Read and post your feelings. You are very much in the right place. The A has a disease and, as you are learing, all the symptoms and crazy behaviors do not go away just because they do not drink. You are affected by those behaviors. Al-Anon is for anyone who has a friend or family member who is an A. It doesn't matter how long they have been sober. There is a lady in my home group whose AH has been sober for 30 years. She still comes every week and gets a lot out of the program.
In recovery,
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~Jen~
"When you come to the edge of all you know you must believe in one of two things... there will be earth on which to stand or you will be given wings." ~Unknown
We are a family here at MIP. I am ACOA and also married to an A for 34 years. My AH just recently retired and began drinking again after being 20 years sober. The first 14 years of our marriage he was an active A.
This board was my first experience with AlAnon. I also attend F2F meetings. AlAnon is for those people who have been affected by the disease of alcoholism.
I have had a little of your experience in dealing with my AH's 20 years sober. I now find myself back in the other part of this disease again.
I'm sure you will find someone here who has had your exact experience. Keep coming back.
Once again Welcome to MIP.
Love and Blessings,
Claudia
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A person's a person no matter how small --Dr Suess
I am so grateful for the wonferful responses.. You each were so supportive.
Life is so good today.
I took some coaching from someone else I know in Alanon and got into action. A) First I Prayed. B) Went to yoga and was just present - so good for me. C) Found the meetings in the area. I on going tomorrow - I will admit I am nurvous but I am going. D) Purchased a new copy of Codependents Guide to the Twelve Stepsby Melody Beattie as well as a daily book of hers.
I had worked her book (a request from a woman who I had done some marriage couceling with) right after I got divorced four years ago and created a Plan of Self Care which was amazing for me and I really still benefit from that Plan.
This time when I began reading the Beattie books I saw I whole other light to the book and i really GOT the powerless coversation. WOW.
E) Then later on I had a little thought - I KNOW a very recovered CODA / Al-anon person in my life whom I adore and have a great friendship with ( just forget she ever told me that about herself). So I prayed and called her this morning. We had a long conversation in which I got so clear - amazingly clear on what attachment I am having and where I am creating this happening, where I am not willing to be straight in communication with others. It was amazing. I am so blessed.
She asked me to try being generous with myself today.
I gotta tell you- i am so overwhelmed with joy by how clear I feel today (vs. just being overwhelmed =)