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It's the booze talking...


(((((Everyone))))))

I have heard that phrase many times in my lifetime.  I related something my wife had told me and that was my fathers response.  Just recently, I realized that there is a deeper meaning to this than I had thought.

I always imagined that the 'booze talking' descripter had to do with opening up... maybe talking without thinking or getting caught up in the moment.  I have come to realize that is not what he meant.

My wife when in the disease says things that are blantantly false... and believes them.  Some are accusations, some are reasons for self-pity and some are just outlandish.  These things were not obvious when we still lived together, they were subtle and I reacted to them.

Now that we have been seperated for 7 months, they are based in despiration as best I can tell.  The old tactics of guilt and gentle manipulation are not getting her what she wants so she is branching out.  But don't get me wrong, these are not lies to her... it's like self hypnosis.  She believes it and is furious that everyone else does not.

When I read some shares filled with outlandish behavior and conversations, I can only pass along the advice of my father who is 25 years sober.... "It's the booze talking..." and giving it a second thought is a waste of energy.

Take care of you!


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I know what your talking about. My ahsober is still having a hard time getting rid of these characteristics because they are so strong and they've done them for so long.

My best friend who was 36 and died of alcoholism had what's called mush brain. Her neuorlogical part of her brain was deteriorating and it made her say things that were untrue and outlandish. She would really think she was telling you the gods honest truth, sadly....it was the beginning of the end for her :(

I hope your wife gets better. You and your family are always in my prayers ^i^

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You go fishing and pull up a thing with fifty legs and a zillion little eyeballs . . . you throw it back real quick! I go fishing in my A for sanity, logic, sound decisions, and I have gotten back scary creatures of the deep. I used to get so outraged by the stuff coming out of him. It is truly outrageous stuff. It defies any attempts to make sense out of it.

This was not an easy or even pleasant thing to do . . . but I just stopped listening to him. It preserves my sanity, though I can't say I feel GREAT regarding my husband as a babbling sick man. I was an RN and worked in psychiatry most of my career, and after a while, when a patient spouts gibberish to you or calls you foul names you "detatch", you feel neither fear, anger, or even pity, it's just their mental illness. It does them and me no good to react.

I've had to wade hip deep through my own feelings . . . but this is my HUSBAND spouting crap, he shouldn't be doing this, why won't he just STOP IT???!!! How could he possibly insist that X happened? Why doesn't he SEE . . . and so on.

Like I said, it's hard on my heart to disregard my own husband's words. It defies all definitions of marraige to me. There's little if any respect to be had for him, which I think is about the worst thing of all. BUT, I maintain my integrity and my own sanity. I am not skipping through the daisies in joy over how I've learned to cope with him, but I am functioning and staying sane more or less.

Thanks for posting this R! I needed to put this into words today.

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So, do you just sit silent and not respond at all? I am fairly new to al-anon and I struggle with this. Do tell your secrets because it gets me every time. Can you tell me how you would handle this scenario (first one that comes to mind, but plenty more where it came from)...

The kids and I did yardwork all Sunday afternoon. AH 4 mos sober was to pick up the kids to take them swimming. He ends up later than anticipated and will have to cut the swimming short because he recently discovered he'll need to drive 1 1/2 hrs that night to pick up something crucial for our construction project. Anyhooooo, when he walks in we had just finished the yard and the kids are ready. I had just woken the youngest from his nap. Now keep in mind that I never planned on going nor had I ever directly communicated about the plans. Obviously frustrated by the situation he says to me in an irritated tone, "Oh, I thought you would have taken them over to swim and then I would have relieved you". ERRRRR.... Just a subtle jab to let everyone know it was my fault the swimming time would be cut short.

Yep, and I believe the booze still talks, sober or not!

Lou



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Yes, I know what you mean, now. When I first met my A, I had NO experience with Aism. I am a very honest and direct person, and most times, forget everyone isn't the same, so I tend to believe everything (maybe it's called gullible?) LOL
A few months into our relationship, I mentioned something he had told me while he was drunk ( I also couldn't tell then how much he had drank). He said, "oh, that was the booze talking." I still didn't have a clue what he meant. It took quite a while for me to understand that I should never believe him when he's drinking. I guess you call it the Dr. Jeckle, Mr. Hyde syndrome? He is such a different person when he drinks! ( one that I certainly don't even like!!) As time went on, things got more and more ridiculous. He figured everything should be forgiven and forgotten 'cause it was the booze talking! I said ok, I'm a woman, and if I get drunk and have sex with someone, it should be ok, 'cause I was drunk? That got a wake-up out of him!
I know for a fact that he really doesn't remember most of the BS that he told me when he was drunk (Jeckle/Hyde thing?). My problem was that I couldn't remember if he was drunk or sober when he told me a lot of stuff when we first got together LOL. He gives me some really strange looks sometimes! I guess wondering where THAT came from! We should all be Physcoligists (sp?) LOL! Your post sure brought back some memories! Love, TLC

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(((((Lou)))))

I don't know if there is any magic and certainly no secrets, but keep coming back and read everything you can. For most of us it took a long time for us to become as dysfunctional as we had, and it will take an equally long time to get things squared away. I am far from "fixed" so take my posts with a grain of salt, eh.

Your example is very common of many people, A or not who pile too much on their plate to be sucessful then blame others when it doesn't all work out. Something to think about is this frustration is his... not yours. You and the kids had some time together working in the yard. That is time well spent.

He got his timelines all out of wack and got frustrated... well those are things that he will have to learn to deal with in a world without alchohol. It happens and it is not always someone elses fault. Just like when he was drinking I don't know if arguing the details would help anyone, but a simple "... no sense arguing about it, anyone ready to swim?" couldn't hurt. Say what you mean, and don't say it mean.

4 months sober is great, but he is now learning to live in a place he is not used to .... reality.

It may take some time, and you don't have to waste your time trying to train him, you can spend this time getting yourself healthy and happy. You deserve that and so do your kids.

Take care of you!

-- Edited by rtexas at 18:07, 2007-05-29

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So true, Rtexas, there isn't a secret, it's more like forcing myself to make a "better" habit out of how I respond when my A is suffering from one of his own problems and wants me to fix it. I've had to apologize to him for being mean, and that is REALLY hard, and there's a little part of me that screams UNFAIR!! when I take responsibility for my responses to his extreme behavior.

I just feel better in general when I take that moment and say something like Rtexas said. I have this one life to live, that I know of. I've spent too long reacting to him and everyone else. It's wasted time, nothing I could do or say would make a difference, so why not reframe it all right quick and not fill myself up with resentment? For me it's sometimes easy and then others my mouth starts going and INEVITABLY I regret getting so angry . . . it makes me feel so awful, it's worth it to swallow my initial response and say something more neutral.

I used to think that my angry reactions would eventually "work", or in the least, he deserved my angry response for being such a screw up, and how dare he shove his own mistake on me? I'm being a doormat if I don't stand up for myself! Those are just "beliefs" I have, perhaps they'd have some effect on a person in their right mind, but for me I'm not dealing with that right now.


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What a comfort it is to me to know I am not the only one dealing with this. My husband can be such a nice, fun-loving guy, and that is what people generally see him as....but in front of me, when it is just he and I....different story. People, even my friends who I have confided in how outlandish the things he can say and do are, look at me like I am crazy.  We went to my co-worker's house Saturday night (I confide in her a LOT), and she has an A sister, so she knows how I feel.  She came up to me this morning at work and said my husband acted perfectly fine, was nice to everyone, nice to me.  Well YEAH!  I know that!  (And he was nice all weekend, hope he continues to be tonight, but he is about 3 hours later getting home than he said he would be...so who knows!  There I go projecting again, darn it!)
Some of the things he says, I wonder if he believes them when he is sober, as he never says those things unless he is drunk. 
So strange living with Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde.  Wish he'd go away and leave my husband alone.
Love in Recovery,
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Hey RT

I had lunch with my old sponsor today (she lives out of state now) and this was her piece of wisdom for me...."The horns on his head fit the holes in your." LOL This was said after I tried to explain how I challenged his truths --- I'm still laughing -- it is insane to try to deal with the A when the "booze is talking."

Luna

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The tough part about this for me is that my Brain has the knowledge that "It's the booze talking" or the disease talking, but my heart sometimes still get hurt by the words that the booze or the disease says.

This is when I really, really have to work MY program to it's fullest. I have to do these things for me . .
Call a trusted recovery friend for comfort
Express my feelings in a journal or write a letter to the A (& then burn it)
If possible, distance myself from that "talking" by leaving the room, taking a walk in the park, a relaxing bath, read a good book, watch a Happy Movie, etc.
and most of all
Remind my heart that "IT'S NOT ABOUT ME"

Great post RT -

Thanks,
Rita


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RTX

I understand your definition and very much agree that those are the behaviors of an A dealing with boundaries.  Just as a matter of conversation, though, when does an alanonic say enough is enough and call a spade a spade. 

For instance, when my wife could no longer manipulate me into accepting her drinking habits, she lashed out with all kinds of talk; to the point where she has lied on court documents -- but she believes it.  Adultery, drinking, money, even her arrests for DV, she denies in writing.  Boldfaced.

What I understand is she thinks like a child, or teenager or the such.  She started drinking around 15 or so, and an addiction counselor had told me that her maturity was most likely stunted to then.  At my wits end with lies and deceiptfulness, I have found that I do not WANT to live with "it's the booze talking".  I want to be able to call a spade "a spade".  That is the friends and lover I want in my life.

Anyhow, thanks for your words.  It kind of pushed my thinking out of the proverbial box. 

Best blessings to you and yours
regards
cj

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