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HP, god as we understand it


Hiya all

I am having trouble finding a higher power, a god.

I have been to two churches, to a pow wow, and went to the Berkshire mountains looking for a god, HP, something to grasp on to.

This may sound silly, but I am truthful and am searching. I hear everyone talking of thier HP, but I am still looking for mine.

If some of you could be so kind to let me know about your god or HP I would appreciate it. Geesh, I am so confused, don't even know if god and HP are one and the same.

If you could respond to this, that would be great, or you can e-mail me at davidssibling@aol.com.

Thank you so much

Eve

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http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/church.shtml
I also had a hard time finding what I was looking for. I church hopped until I found the right church. I was told I was Catholic, then I was Baptist, then Catholic again. I finally stumbled upon a Methodist church and loved it so much that I am now a Methodist. I call myself a Christian. I believe in a God. I believe in the trinity that there is all three in one. The father, the son and the holy spirit are one of the same. I don't have to do anything to be loved by my God just believe that he died on the cross for my sins. Then I give my heart to him and that's it. If I have any problems I can turn them all over to him. I started going to this church and I actually felt something inside of me start to change. Things got better, I could finally breath. Something took it off of me (God) It wasn't until I strengthend my faith that my life started to get better
You are right where you need to be. God will find you. Just listen. Sometimes he's just right there whispering and you just can't see it. If you want him to speak louder just ask..........He will!  Good luck on your search. Your in my prayers.


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Hi David...

Finding an HP is unique for everyone.  I was brought up in a traditional church but found it just wasn't clicking with me as I got older.  I changed my idea of who/what HP is when I read a trilogy of books called "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch.  It finally all fell into place after that.  The books made sense to me and introduced me to an HP I could understand. 
If you are interested you can get the books on Amazon.com,  cheaper if you buy used ones.

Christy


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Aloha Eve!!

Good to hear from you and so I am glad that you kept coming back.  I haven't check into the board as regular as I had so that is the reason I must have been missing you and the rest of this family.

"A God of my understanding"  First I had to stop trying too hard and looking for one that specifically fit a mold for me.  I was born and raised in a church and educated within that religious system for years +.  I had a preconception and idea of God and I didn't know how to meet up with God.  God was way far a way from me until I stopped my panicky search.  I prayed for years...from ever since I could remember until 37 when I got into this program. I went to church often, sang in the choir, did scriptural readings, attended all the rites and still felt distant from God.  Even after getting into program and finding a Higher Power (God) when I went and attended church and participated I would leave the ceremony sad, empty and lonely like I had missed God.  I would cry at the end of the ceremony because of those feelings.   However at the same time I came to an understanding of God in the AFG and continued to live within that understanding.  I came to rely on that understanding and took comfort that in recovery I had many spritual awakenings and conversations with God.  I knew that I could cement a relationship with God in and thru this program and so I continue.

God for me is in me, all around me.  Because of the spiritual nature of our program and my desire to work it, change for the better, know and understand God's will and actively pursue walking that walk and sharing it with others that is God in me.  My nature is to love others and allow myself to be loved by others and I know that is the will of my HP.  "God is Love" I have heard and understand and so when I am doing that I am like God.  I believe that God is my Father and everyone elses and then believe that we are all connected that way.  God is also Good   Orderly    Direction (G O D) and that works for me too.

I was born in the islands and God (Akua) is the spiritual driving center and force of the culture that has influenced my life so deeply before the disease almost took that away entirely.  I see the work of God (love) in all of the creation above, under and around me and from the culture have accepted a body form for God.  That is the Io (hawk) that rises above me and my home and shows me that God is with me and blesses me always. 

I was talking with my wife after giving a testimony at our local church on Recovery.  I have been knowing that I need to make some changes in my life and she mentioned that she thought I should slow down.  I mentioned that that is one thing I am looking to do and there is the issue of income that we need because I have retired to SSI and that is not near what we use to survive on.  At that point I told her that I knew what it was that I should do and that what ever it was it had to fall within the will of God.  At that point I looked up into the sky and above me there was a small cloud and within the cloud was the shape of a bird or hawk with open wings soaring.  At that point I said to my HP, "I understand."  It was also at that point that my wife called my attention to a real hawk that had lifted from the trees down the street from us and soared in circles to above she and I and our house.   I have come to understand that if I stand still and keep and open mind and heart and am patient God will continue to touch and guide me as God has since I discovered Him in this program.

You carry the name of the first woman.  You are special.  God will reveal Himself when you are ready.

(((((Eve)))))

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((Eve))

There are so many different answers to your question.  How are we supposed to know what, who, why, when, where, why again, what after all, is MY higher power?  The God of my understanding is something/someone/all things/all beings beyond my scope of comprehension.  Facts tell us nothing.  There is no fact that puts a reality for any God, Gods, Goddesses, GoodGods, etc.  Faith tells us that there is something more.  That this life isn't a pointless existence.

It is a fantastic voyage of self to contemplate our spirituality.  For me, it does not conform to any group think.  Conscious contact, conscious internal discussion, and prayer and meditations (no matter how short... 5 minutes, 30 seconds, or 2 hours, etc) keep me on my path... my path to recovery... aka... my life's journey. 

Brightest Blessings on your path,
with love
cj

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Hello david I was told if your looking you can relax u have already found what your looking for.  Defining your higher power takes time and develops over time .  I too struggled with this step and finally listened to a tape that helped me alot .  the lady was determined to find a God of her understanding  sat down with a pot of coffee , smokes and all the books she had from our program and the bible . After many hrs still nothing she was happy with so she got mad and threw it all on the floor and went to bed.
cleaning up next morning she picked up the bible from the floor and a pen had fallen into the crease of a page , she looked at the top of the page and it simply said . Be still and know that I am here.   that worked for me .    relax it will all come together in time .  Louise

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A church can be just like an Alanon meeting.  You only went to two churches, that's hardly a variety.  I would try some contemporary services, and if that doesn't work, just talk out loud and have conversations, and whoever is suppose to be your HP will be listening.  Don't get hung up on a title.  Your higher power whoever it is suppose to be for you, will be there for you as long as you are opening your heart to be filled by its spirit.  Don't think you have to fit into a tradtional mold, we are individuals and unique.  All things come in your HP's time, not yours.

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Hello David,

 I have been in search of my hp too, I don't go to church, but when I have been at my rock bottom, I ask god to please help me, and he has although sometimes I could argue he does it in the strangest way's, I thought I would know if I found it when something big hit me, but for me it wasn't like that at all, it was tiny little sutle thing's that he put in my head and made me go figure, and then something that is so bizarre yet so profound, when I get things wrong and beat myself up, when I come through the other side again, as I alway's do, I look back and think, it had to be just that way to make me learn, my HP comes and goes, he can't make it too easy for me or I would not appreciate the good things that I have, funny I just been through a real rough patch, I have been so chewed up with myself for getting it wrong again, then I figured it's not alway's about getting it right, it's about getting through it safely, look around you, and look at the flowers that survive the harsh winters, look at the way they stand proud and bloom, the flowers in my garden have a real hard time, the football knocks them down, the cat's scratch them up, the winds blow and the frost comes, but they battle on and suddenly there they are, they make me happy they are so cheerful and bright, so alive maybe I feel this way because I know how hard they fourt to come through, but they alway's do!
Katy
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I find it impossible to believe in a personal God, a creator who knows and loves me personally. Instead, my beliefs focus much more strongly on what, for lack of a better work, I guess you could call Nature.  The atoms that form me have been part of thousands of other living creatures, they have been part of rocks, trees, and stars.  When I am dead, they will continue, forming into other people, animals, sand, air.... I find this very comforting.  The beautiful, intricate inevitibility of what we call Science - the way that what is, is. 
I suppose my point is that you do not have to confine yourself to Christianity, when looking for your HP, or even to Religion.  Art, Beauty, Science - whatever gives you that small sense of peace and wonder - start your exploration there, and follow it to see where it leads.

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Hello Eve,

I was listening to an AA speaker tape this last weekend and the gentleman was having a problem with exactly who his HP was too. He was talking to his sponsor and asked the question, how am I supposed to turn my will and my life over to God as I understood Him, if I have no concept of whom I am turning things over to?

His sponsor replied, "Turn it over to whatever will take it!"

As long as you admit or more importantly are at least willing to seek something bigger than yourself, which is what you are doing with these questions!, you are on your way. Like others have said, give it time. Be willing. Keep looking. For me, when I start looking for my HP's actions with an open mind, I see Him at work everywhere. And I know its His work because it fills me with happiness, joy and intense feelings of love.

Keep up the good work ((((((Eve)))))

Yours in Recovery,
David

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I was at an open AA meeting with a fellow who had been coming for about 6-weeks (straight out of detox). He said over and over that he was trying to be open minded about the HP thing, but he just needed to see a sign from God that he was real. Someone else said, "are you sober?" the man said, "yes." The other person said, "there is your sign."

The point of my story is that God or HP isn't necessarily going to answer your individual prayers for a sign he exists. "Thy will be done" is a big deal for me. I don't pray for a sign, gift,money, security, love, or anything else specific. I pray that I may understand his will and carry it out. When we walk with God we find peace, when we fight his will, we have strife.

This is how I was able to Let Go and Let God. Take what you may and leave the rest.

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Hello Eve,

I have sent you a private message on this subject.

Diva

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david62 wrote:

Hello Eve,

I was listening to an AA speaker tape this last weekend and the gentleman was having a problem with exactly who his HP was too. He was talking to his sponsor and asked the question, how am I supposed to turn my will and my life over to God as I understood Him, if I have no concept of whom I am turning things over to?

His sponsor replied, "Turn it over to whatever will take it!"

As long as you admit or more importantly are at least willing to seek something bigger than yourself, which is what you are doing with these questions!, you are on your way. Like others have said, give it time. Be willing. Keep looking. For me, when I start looking for my HP's actions with an open mind, I see Him at work everywhere. And I know its His work because it fills me with happiness, joy and intense feelings of love.

Keep up the good work ((((((Eve)))))

Yours in Recovery,
David



 love that --------->    "Turn it over to whatever will take it!"

Josey

 

 


 



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I want to thank all that have replied to my request, those that replied on board, to E-mail , and private message.

You good people do come through, unbelievable how total strangers can band together so strong, and be so good. MIP member are the best, thank you.

I will let my HP find me.

I felt so alone when hearing others speak of thier HP, and this being step 2, feeling I will be stuck on step 1 forever.

I feel so at peace when I am in the room, guess that why I am in it so much.  I have cried, laughed, and learned so much.

Again, thank you all

Eve

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