Ok. so my kids came home from college for summer. my younger son asked to speak with me and verbalized he was upset how I was interacting by not interacting with my AH. I explained to him about detachment and that I want so much for his father to stop drinking and to engage with the family, but that was his fathers decision. My son will talk to me about his father drinking and how much more his father drinks when I am not there in the evenings and how my son feels like he has to babysit his father for worry something will happen since he is a diabetic and also going through hard time since his mother passed (but he won't talk about). I explained how I still love his father but I am trying to live my own life, make myself happy by doing things on my own (leaning how to teach fitness classes and I take other classes). I told my son that his father has to make his own decisions and if drinking is his decision no one can stop him but himself, and encouraged my son that he does not have to stay and feel tortured being there with a drunk father--he can go out with his friends, go in another room and watch TV or read, it is not his job to have to monitor his father. I thought I was explaining detachment ok--but he things that saying its appropriate to leave someone alone to drink who will drink even more if they are alone is wrong. I offered al-anon to him (and have offered alateen in past) but he is not interested. He verbalized that both he and his brother were upset with how I was handling things. I just listened and let him know I was happy he could express himself to me. He said he would not feel comfortable telling his father how he felt.
So then I talked to my other older son and asked him how he was feeling about things and he just said it was really messed up that we are not a normal family and that he understands that I need to separate myself and make myself happy, but then doesn't understand why I am even still with my husband when we don't really talk or do things together. And he verbalized he was glad he has been away at school and is now moving away to not have to be around things. I told him this has been hard for me--because I am the only one who has talked with his father about my concerns about his drinking (for health, family, etc) and I don't even bring it up al all anymore--my husband knows when he is drinking I just stay away and interact minimally. My older son also says he does not want to go to alanon and that he does not want to tell his dad his feelings. I totally get it--I am the one who got the verbal teasing and taunts from my AH because I was the one who addressed my concerns.
So my husbands drinking was much worse about 5-7 years ago and he has tapered down, but starting again drinking more now. But still has been a big issue--probably drinks about 4-6 beers at least 4 days a week. And he started switching to whiskey and diet coke "more buzz with less carbs to impact his sugar". whatever--his choice. We have a liquor cabinet and I have seen and heard him getting out the bottle. Well tonight I could tell he had been drinking when I came home around 4pm. It smelled to me like beer. Didn't;t say anything I just stay away like usual. But I went into our family room this evening and I could smell something--so since I know he can tend to hide a open beer on floor behind things or in things I checked around (I don't want my dog to get into anything or to get ants/bugs). So I opened his backpack that was on floor next to me--and there was a smaller bottle (pint) of whiskey in it. I was just kind of shocked. I know I shouldn't be, but I am. Why does he feel the need to hide things? Why is he drinking the harder stuff? Is he drinking when he goes out in the car (I hope and pray not). I know he has an alcohol problem. And I feel like he has been depressed for a few years and now worse since he lost his mom last year. He used to be able to communicate vey well. But for the last 10 years of drinking he literally can't even state plain things like I'm mad or sad. And when asked how he is feeling about anything--loss of his mom or how was work--"fine" but yet his tone and body language express otherwise.
So I really don't care (do care but detach) that he is drinking--I don't want there to be safety issue for my dog or sanitary/cleanliness issues by open hidden containers. So do I say anything? Technically I did invade his privacy and I do have concerns that he would retaliate in some way (not physical). Do I just leave it alone?
Any suggestions on how to have a more normal family interaction when I cant be around my AH when his is drinking? Am I doing anything wrong with my kids? They don't like the drinking, but they can tolerate being around him when he is drinking for the most part, but I just can't. So then that means I can't stand being in the same room when they are all watching the sports (because of the smell of the alcohols and the behavior) so then I am not having interaction with my kids (grant it they are usually away at school so me being in another room is normal). Is there any answer or ideas to improve things?
DM2021 said
Jul 15, 2022
{{Dancer66}} I think you are doing great!!! Thanks for stopping by!!
As far as your children, you cannot control how they feel, but offering Al-Anon exposure was a wonderful idea.
It is hard when you know your children are troubled, but it is best to let them understand in their own time.
In my house I have exactly the same thing going on. Hidden empty beer cans in the desk leaking residue and
making the the room smell and lots of those little bottles of whiskey in the the trash clinking around. I just
mind my own business. In the past, if I said anything I would get this wise guy smirk, like I did not know
what I was talking about. Since Al-Anon, several years ago, I learned that I must keep my need to control
in check, otherwise I am always feeling troubled. Al-Anon does know what it is doing and works when you
work the program.
Lyne said
Jul 15, 2022
{{{Hugs also to you Dancer66}}} You have a full plate and honestly I agree with Debbie that you are handling things openly and honestly with your kids. Of course they don't want to go to alanon (neither does my son). They don't understand how alcohol affects everyone in the family, and other thinking is, why should I go for help when I don't have the problem? They also cannot understand that you taking care of yourself is exactly the right thing to do.
What I might do in your shoes, would copy some literature for the sons to read, that might make some sense to them. Something they could relate to about your family situation. This could be from a daily reader, The Forum, an/or something online from Alanon recovery.
I hope you can continue some contact with alanon through any means that works with your schedule. You can find help and recovery here.
Enigmatic said
Jul 16, 2022
Good to hear from you, Dancer
Appreciate your share about your experience, I heard some good shares above with some really good Alanon principles in practice. It sounds like you are putting solid Alanon into practice and doing your best in a really tough situation.
Before I found Alanon, I believed that there was something that I could do, some series of steps I could take, a line in the sand I could draw or demand I could make that would make things 'right', 'normal'. I tried every one I could think of, with far less grace and skill than you are showing; nothing brought the outcome I hoped for.
I found Alanon and along with it a peace to the fact that nothing I could do would make things 'right' for the alcoholic or any that engaged with them. Additionally, in looking honestly at all families, with or without an alcoholic, unhealthy behavior was not just limited to families with alcoholics. My efforts to force a 'normal' would be just my own arbitrary concept of how I think things 'should' be.
Allowing others to follow the guidance of whatever higher power they hold to, letting others decide their own actions is the only way I feel peace. When I don't, I know I am trying to enforce my perception of 'normal' on others...no one wins.
My heart and thoughts are with you as you navigate this landscape and follow the guidance of your higher power, discover what works for you ...
Ok. so my kids came home from college for summer. my younger son asked to speak with me and verbalized he was upset how I was interacting by not interacting with my AH. I explained to him about detachment and that I want so much for his father to stop drinking and to engage with the family, but that was his fathers decision. My son will talk to me about his father drinking and how much more his father drinks when I am not there in the evenings and how my son feels like he has to babysit his father for worry something will happen since he is a diabetic and also going through hard time since his mother passed (but he won't talk about). I explained how I still love his father but I am trying to live my own life, make myself happy by doing things on my own (leaning how to teach fitness classes and I take other classes). I told my son that his father has to make his own decisions and if drinking is his decision no one can stop him but himself, and encouraged my son that he does not have to stay and feel tortured being there with a drunk father--he can go out with his friends, go in another room and watch TV or read, it is not his job to have to monitor his father. I thought I was explaining detachment ok--but he things that saying its appropriate to leave someone alone to drink who will drink even more if they are alone is wrong. I offered al-anon to him (and have offered alateen in past) but he is not interested. He verbalized that both he and his brother were upset with how I was handling things. I just listened and let him know I was happy he could express himself to me. He said he would not feel comfortable telling his father how he felt.
So then I talked to my other older son and asked him how he was feeling about things and he just said it was really messed up that we are not a normal family and that he understands that I need to separate myself and make myself happy, but then doesn't understand why I am even still with my husband when we don't really talk or do things together. And he verbalized he was glad he has been away at school and is now moving away to not have to be around things. I told him this has been hard for me--because I am the only one who has talked with his father about my concerns about his drinking (for health, family, etc) and I don't even bring it up al all anymore--my husband knows when he is drinking I just stay away and interact minimally. My older son also says he does not want to go to alanon and that he does not want to tell his dad his feelings. I totally get it--I am the one who got the verbal teasing and taunts from my AH because I was the one who addressed my concerns.
So my husbands drinking was much worse about 5-7 years ago and he has tapered down, but starting again drinking more now. But still has been a big issue--probably drinks about 4-6 beers at least 4 days a week. And he started switching to whiskey and diet coke "more buzz with less carbs to impact his sugar". whatever--his choice. We have a liquor cabinet and I have seen and heard him getting out the bottle. Well tonight I could tell he had been drinking when I came home around 4pm. It smelled to me like beer. Didn't;t say anything I just stay away like usual. But I went into our family room this evening and I could smell something--so since I know he can tend to hide a open beer on floor behind things or in things I checked around (I don't want my dog to get into anything or to get ants/bugs). So I opened his backpack that was on floor next to me--and there was a smaller bottle (pint) of whiskey in it. I was just kind of shocked. I know I shouldn't be, but I am. Why does he feel the need to hide things? Why is he drinking the harder stuff? Is he drinking when he goes out in the car (I hope and pray not). I know he has an alcohol problem. And I feel like he has been depressed for a few years and now worse since he lost his mom last year. He used to be able to communicate vey well. But for the last 10 years of drinking he literally can't even state plain things like I'm mad or sad. And when asked how he is feeling about anything--loss of his mom or how was work--"fine" but yet his tone and body language express otherwise.
So I really don't care (do care but detach) that he is drinking--I don't want there to be safety issue for my dog or sanitary/cleanliness issues by open hidden containers. So do I say anything? Technically I did invade his privacy and I do have concerns that he would retaliate in some way (not physical). Do I just leave it alone?
Any suggestions on how to have a more normal family interaction when I cant be around my AH when his is drinking? Am I doing anything wrong with my kids? They don't like the drinking, but they can tolerate being around him when he is drinking for the most part, but I just can't. So then that means I can't stand being in the same room when they are all watching the sports (because of the smell of the alcohols and the behavior) so then I am not having interaction with my kids (grant it they are usually away at school so me being in another room is normal). Is there any answer or ideas to improve things?
As far as your children, you cannot control how they feel, but offering Al-Anon exposure was a wonderful idea.
It is hard when you know your children are troubled, but it is best to let them understand in their own time.
In my house I have exactly the same thing going on. Hidden empty beer cans in the desk leaking residue and
making the the room smell and lots of those little bottles of whiskey in the the trash clinking around. I just
mind my own business. In the past, if I said anything I would get this wise guy smirk, like I did not know
what I was talking about. Since Al-Anon, several years ago, I learned that I must keep my need to control
in check, otherwise I am always feeling troubled. Al-Anon does know what it is doing and works when you
work the program.
What I might do in your shoes, would copy some literature for the sons to read, that might make some sense to them. Something they could relate to about your family situation. This could be from a daily reader, The Forum, an/or something online from Alanon recovery.
I hope you can continue some contact with alanon through any means that works with your schedule. You can find help and recovery here.
Good to hear from you, Dancer
Appreciate your share about your experience, I heard some good shares above with some really good Alanon principles in practice. It sounds like you are putting solid Alanon into practice and doing your best in a really tough situation.
Before I found Alanon, I believed that there was something that I could do, some series of steps I could take, a line in the sand I could draw or demand I could make that would make things 'right', 'normal'. I tried every one I could think of, with far less grace and skill than you are showing; nothing brought the outcome I hoped for.
I found Alanon and along with it a peace to the fact that nothing I could do would make things 'right' for the alcoholic or any that engaged with them. Additionally, in looking honestly at all families, with or without an alcoholic, unhealthy behavior was not just limited to families with alcoholics. My efforts to force a 'normal' would be just my own arbitrary concept of how I think things 'should' be.
Allowing others to follow the guidance of whatever higher power they hold to, letting others decide their own actions is the only way I feel peace. When I don't, I know I am trying to enforce my perception of 'normal' on others...no one wins.
My heart and thoughts are with you as you navigate this landscape and follow the guidance of your higher power, discover what works for you ...