The right of decision makes effective leadership possible.
Basically in Alanon everyone just pitches in. Someone bring coffee- if we have coffee. [Or tea]
Someone brings the key and opens up. At our F2F meeting we select our chair on the night, usually.
In our inland valleys we rotate the chair. This is if we have enough members to do so!
We respect service at every level!
In business Concept 3 would be called an executive decision.
Part of Tradition 9 says that:- "Our Groups, as such, ought never be organised."
That does seem like a recipe for chaos. In our area just having enough members is enough of a worry!
But the committee who overseas the meetings- pays for the venue, buys literature, donates to assembly... etc etc.
Coming from a rural area we all have direct contact with the hierarchy- because we are small.
I sense that members big city groups have very little contact? I might be wrong.
Our minutes and literature in a cardboard box, our finances a pickle jar. Well at least it gets to be visible!
a4l said
Jul 5, 2021
David. This needs to stop. The only member complaining about the power roles on our board is you whether overtly or by inference. I strongly feel the insistence that MIP is run your way according to your selective interpretation of the Alanon programme is creating problems. You may not be aware of this; I'm bringing it directly to your attention now.
Remember we have moderators.
The moderators have years long service records with the earned trust and respect of the boards members evidenced by continuing membership.
Members who formally work a 12 step of service do so here according to the established protocols which is having the necessary aptitude to work co-operatively in order to perform daily readings using readers on set days.
I come here to find my bearings, receive and give support with others affected by an alcoholic loved one, get inspired by long term recovery members, and pass on compassion where I can consciously do so. I also come here to vent and reason out What's old thinking, relapsing thinking and recovery thinking. These are all internal processes using an external medium.
And on occasion I have contributed to the daily readings but lack the means to commit to it on a long term basis. I greatly respect those with the discipline to commit to it. When i contribute to those readings I do so with a consciously open mind and really read and think about what the service worker has shared to challenge my stubborn thinking where needed. That engagement is how I show my respect. Not by speaking the words but by quietly engaging in the action.
Regarding moderators. I respect their service not by throwing out nice words, but by abiding by and in my own way attempting to emulate the thing they have that I want: kindness, wisdom, strong recovery. Not by undermining their service by throwing up concepts and criticisms.
Why do you come to MIP and how do you show respect to the board?
DavidG said
Jul 5, 2021
a4l wrote:
Why do you come to MIP and how do you show respect to the board?
Wherever I go I get along to an Alanon meeting- if there is one.
If there isn't one- I may try and help to create one.
Same here, A41. One time meetings here were held in the chat rooms.
They are always there if someone wanted to crank them up again!
I am a part of "the board" and a regular member. I hope and expect people to respect me- as much as anyone else. ...
mamalioness said
Jul 5, 2021
DavidG wrote:
a4lain!
I am a part of "the board" and a regular member. I hope and expect people to respect me- as much as anyone else. ...
Then how about stopping all of this, under the guise of Al-Anon, I agree with a41. And also enigmatic. Respect is something we get when we give respect. All this chaos and drama Is not accomplishing anything but damage to the board and its difficult to respect someone who does not give it to the common community. I ask you to read and reflect on traditions number one and also number two
We need to MoveOn before more members are lost. We come here to find and to give when we can experience and strength and hope and loving support by our fellow members
You talk about respect, how about giving it to this board that you are causing such havoc on.
I wasnt going to say anything as of last night but decided to say something today that this drama and chaos needs to stop and we need to MoveOn. Like somebody wisely sad I think it was tired who said if it isnt broken, why fix it? Or words to that effect. We need to move on and get on with the business of recovery and not all those minutia under the guise of making some sort of change that doesnt even make sense.
-- Edited by mamalioness on Monday 5th of July 2021 04:02:49 PM
DavidG said
Jul 5, 2021
Sad to say- the meetings around here- we expect respect- and no cross-talk with member's shares.
The opposite here- so it seems. Crosstalk- bordering on gaslighting.
Mama- if y'all don't like what I saying- please ignore it.
Please give me a bit of space- and respect. Thanks.
DavidG said
Jul 5, 2021
a4l wrote:
David. This needs to stop. The only member complaining about the power roles on our board is you whether overtly or by inference. I strongly feel the insistence that MIP is run your way according to your selective interpretation of the Alanon programme is creating problems. You may not be aware of this; I'm bringing it directly to your attention now.
Thanks A41
Mine is not a selective interpretation. It is based on standard practise here in Ao-NZ. In our Alanon Family Group movement.
Conscience matters are dealt with by consensus, where ever possible. Maybe like a family might?
Business matter are dealt with using standard meeting procedure. Universal.
This is fair to everyone.
I talked about a kangaroo court here. I have been involved in acts where people are just shut off, shut down and even banned
for speaking there own truth.
If this mirrors what happened in the alcoholic family- it is a devastating experience. ...
We come into these groups to do a little better. To be heard, maybe for the first time.
This is the space I try to create these days- both inside and outside of meetings.
Iamhere said
Jul 5, 2021
This topic/discussion is closed. There is already a Concept 3 discussion on the Step Work Board. Feel free to converse, share, post there:
Alanon Concept 3.
The right of decision makes effective leadership possible.
Basically in Alanon everyone just pitches in. Someone bring coffee- if we have coffee. [Or tea]
Someone brings the key and opens up. At our F2F meeting we select our chair on the night, usually.
In our inland valleys we rotate the chair. This is if we have enough members to do so!
We respect service at every level!
In business Concept 3 would be called an executive decision.
Part of Tradition 9 says that:- "Our Groups, as such, ought never be organised."
That does seem like a recipe for chaos. In our area just having enough members is enough of a worry!
But the committee who overseas the meetings- pays for the venue, buys literature, donates to assembly... etc etc.
Coming from a rural area we all have direct contact with the hierarchy- because we are small.
I sense that members big city groups have very little contact? I might be wrong.
Our minutes and literature in a cardboard box, our finances a pickle jar. Well at least it gets to be visible!
Remember we have moderators.
The moderators have years long service records with the earned trust and respect of the boards members evidenced by continuing membership.
Members who formally work a 12 step of service do so here according to the established protocols which is having the necessary aptitude to work co-operatively in order to perform daily readings using readers on set days.
I come here to find my bearings, receive and give support with others affected by an alcoholic loved one, get inspired by long term recovery members, and pass on compassion where I can consciously do so. I also come here to vent and reason out What's old thinking, relapsing thinking and recovery thinking. These are all internal processes using an external medium.
And on occasion I have contributed to the daily readings but lack the means to commit to it on a long term basis. I greatly respect those with the discipline to commit to it. When i contribute to those readings I do so with a consciously open mind and really read and think about what the service worker has shared to challenge my stubborn thinking where needed. That engagement is how I show my respect. Not by speaking the words but by quietly engaging in the action.
Regarding moderators. I respect their service not by throwing out nice words, but by abiding by and in my own way attempting to emulate the thing they have that I want: kindness, wisdom, strong recovery. Not by undermining their service by throwing up concepts and criticisms.
Why do you come to MIP and how do you show respect to the board?
Wherever I go I get along to an Alanon meeting- if there is one.
If there isn't one- I may try and help to create one.
Same here, A41. One time meetings here were held in the chat rooms.
They are always there if someone wanted to crank them up again!
I am a part of "the board" and a regular member. I hope and expect people to respect me- as much as anyone else.
...
Then how about stopping all of this, under the guise of Al-Anon, I agree with a41. And also enigmatic. Respect is something we get when we give respect. All this chaos and drama Is not accomplishing anything but damage to the board and its difficult to respect someone who does not give it to the common community. I ask you to read and reflect on traditions number one and also number two
We need to MoveOn before more members are lost. We come here to find and to give when we can experience and strength and hope and loving support by our fellow members
You talk about respect, how about giving it to this board that you are causing such havoc on.
I wasnt going to say anything as of last night but decided to say something today that this drama and chaos needs to stop and we need to MoveOn. Like somebody wisely sad I think it was tired who said if it isnt broken, why fix it? Or words to that effect. We need to move on and get on with the business of recovery and not all those minutia under the guise of making some sort of change that doesnt even make sense.
-- Edited by mamalioness on Monday 5th of July 2021 04:02:49 PM
Sad to say- the meetings around here- we expect respect- and no cross-talk with member's shares.
The opposite here- so it seems. Crosstalk- bordering on gaslighting.
Mama- if y'all don't like what I saying- please ignore it.
Please give me a bit of space- and respect. Thanks.
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