In the day- I went to a neighbouring town with a group of AA's.
They dropped my off at the home of a wife- when they went to the meeting.
W. told me that she did not want to go to Alanon. She said it would open up a can of worms for her.
After all this time hubby is still in AA- and she is as right as rain.
I was the opposite. I needed 4 or 5 meetings a week- if there were any. I could absorb the readings and teaching fairly readily. Where need help and patience was putting them together- and into practise.
In a big city members can shop around and find a meeting that suits.
At this end this is a luxury. At a meeting of two or three members we all get plenty of time to share.
Over my 38 years Alanon I have seen changes and trends. Most of them have been good ones.
Some meetings- based on ODAT readings- the member is supposed to showcase their recovery.
The personal stuff is discussed with a sponsor. This is not always possible. I am always strongly
aware of the amount of personal disclosure that is in the culture of any group. This boundary is
vastly different from what people might discuss in the outside world!
Mostly. But each member can choose themselves of how much they trust- and how much they need to share.
I find the readings- the steps and traditions, and other stuff to be a steadying factor in meeting.
I might have preferred 100% ESH at one time. But today I see the need for structure. And boundaries too.
In my world I am looking at the survival of Alanon. In recent times I have attended 2 or 3 person meetings.
It is lock-down too. Which makes meeting much much harder...!
In my original group- if we had a new member- we would all do a Step One share.
The group conscience of other people's meetings is none of my business
In this meeting place MIP Alanon is is my business- equally with all other members.
I think about the group conscience, or group consciousness a lot. If I want a change for myself simply change a little and see if that works. There is a degree of tolerance here which make that easy and possible.
Not to forget the unlimited amount of time we have here- to share.
Was a time here- for 6 or 8 months when I needed to lean heavily on the group- for support... and it took my weight.
When I see others doing this I offer encouragement.
To me this group is like a big city group. I am still learning lots and lots of stuff here. Not always details.
Often subtle and succinct things... experience. ...
Sometimes i share to a reading or a topic- which I enjoy. I really really enjoy mixing with other members here.
I can choose an icon for my share, above.
I feel relaxed here. At home.
Outside it is raining. We have a very wet summer here. The cherry crops around the valley have been ruined.
But over all- all is well.
In some ways I have rough edges, still. I have mellowed with age- somewhat.
There is not much, in this world- that would shock or surprise me!
Thanks for the share... ...
Debb said
Jan 20, 2021
DavidG, thank you for the share this evening (It is 7pm here in Eastern USA).
I noticed that I am becoming (as I get older) a bit more seasoned or patient.
Like you, I've seen a thing or two and am grateful that all of what I've seen and
been through has made a better person of me, I have Al-Anon and MIP to thank
for that! I have always, from childhood, had a very strong sense of social justice.
Remember in grade school getting into trouble and being sent to the principals
office for sticking up for fellow classmates if I thought the teacher was picking on
them. So, my rough edges have smoothed over a bit, but I doubt that they will
ever go away! Like you there isn't to much that shocks me anymore, but
I will always fight for the truth, whether for me or someone who needs it.
I feel relaxed and at home here on MIP as well. Nice topic!!
SunnyFrogs said
Jan 20, 2021
I feel relaxed and at home here too.
I do kinda struggle with how much I should share though. I'm not really sure what's considered "appropriate".
DavidG said
Jan 21, 2021
Yes me too Debbs... social justice...
Sunny- I think all of us wonder what the rights and wrongs are around here. I may not have pinned up a personal share here, three or four years ago. But I do now. ...
DavidG said
Jan 21, 2021
Went to my f2f meeting last night. Up the top and of the gorge. Only one other member there- who was chairing.
It went well... the member is fairly new. Instead of holding hands at the end I help my hands up at right angles to my wrist
and we made contact that way- just a slightly better boundary... ...
WendyP said
Jan 21, 2021
Loved all the sharings, I, too, always stood up for myself, and others that couldn't stand up for themselves, which got me into an awful lot of trouble, still does at times. That was such a huge part of me being me, from an early age from childhood, I had to, it was for my survival.
This program means the world to me, also, the people that I have met through it. I use to say to others, when I did have meetings to go to. It is not only what you hear in meetings, and to be blessed with the meetings themselves, that counts, it is what you do with it after that. I also, heard that Real Recovery starts, when you take it out in life, and live it.
This program, and the people in it, is the glue that puts/keeps me together.
Love Wendy P.
DavidG said
Jan 22, 2021
A SAD DAY...
... I have been tinkering with the akronym JADE.
[For me an akronym is an acronym which is related to recovery; Akron being the birthplace of the grand-daddy of 'em all, AA.]
I believe in humility- not humiliation... being sober in thought and spirit and feeling...
I don't need to justify this- but I do need to share to keep the focus on myself.
Being involved with a tiny f2f group- with an incoming member.
My dream last year was to somehow complete Step 12 and focus on Tradition 5.
I wasn't expecting bells and whistles from my higher power- but I needed some sign that I was doing the right thing.
I work mostly steps 10,11,12 these days.
And I will alway be able to do a Step One for newcomers.
One of our pets died yesterday. It was a bit of a shock. He had died sleeping on the couch- during the afternoon and my SO found him there when she got home from work. He had been sick the previous week, but seemed to be rallying.
For me at least I was at home when this happened. It was a sad time of passing.
My first meeting of Alanon, 38 years ago we talked about feelings.
I learned about grieving from our mana whenua, our local people. Who had healthy grieving rituals.
Any way i had to take time to let the whole thing sink in. To get back into the back yard and dig a grave.
and both my SO and I wept over the grave, together.
For me this is the miracle of recovery- to mark this rite of passage.
Thanks for this extra share.
Debb said
Jan 22, 2021
David, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of yours and SO's pet.
I most definitely know how that feels, I am tearing up as I write to you in empathy.
I take heart that this rite of passage was a miracle of recovery for you. {{HUGS}}
SunnyFrogs said
Jan 22, 2021
I'm sorry too for the loss of your pet. That's always a hard thing to go through.
In the day- I went to a neighbouring town with a group of AA's.
They dropped my off at the home of a wife- when they went to the meeting.
W. told me that she did not want to go to Alanon. She said it would open up a can of worms for her.
After all this time hubby is still in AA- and she is as right as rain.
I was the opposite. I needed 4 or 5 meetings a week- if there were any. I could absorb the readings and teaching fairly readily. Where need help and patience was putting them together- and into practise.
In a big city members can shop around and find a meeting that suits.
At this end this is a luxury. At a meeting of two or three members we all get plenty of time to share.
Over my 38 years Alanon I have seen changes and trends. Most of them have been good ones.
Some meetings- based on ODAT readings- the member is supposed to showcase their recovery.
The personal stuff is discussed with a sponsor. This is not always possible. I am always strongly
aware of the amount of personal disclosure that is in the culture of any group. This boundary is
vastly different from what people might discuss in the outside world!
Mostly. But each member can choose themselves of how much they trust- and how much they need to share.
I find the readings- the steps and traditions, and other stuff to be a steadying factor in meeting.
I might have preferred 100% ESH at one time. But today I see the need for structure. And boundaries too.
In my world I am looking at the survival of Alanon. In recent times I have attended 2 or 3 person meetings.
It is lock-down too. Which makes meeting much much harder...!
In my original group- if we had a new member- we would all do a Step One share.
The group conscience of other people's meetings is none of my business
In this meeting place MIP Alanon is is my business- equally with all other members.
I think about the group conscience, or group consciousness a lot. If I want a change for myself simply change a little and see if that works. There is a degree of tolerance here which make that easy and possible.
Not to forget the unlimited amount of time we have here- to share.
Was a time here- for 6 or 8 months when I needed to lean heavily on the group- for support... and it took my weight.
When I see others doing this I offer encouragement.
To me this group is like a big city group. I am still learning lots and lots of stuff here. Not always details.
Often subtle and succinct things... experience.
...
Sometimes i share to a reading or a topic- which I enjoy. I really really enjoy mixing with other members here.
I can choose an icon for my share, above.
I feel relaxed here. At home.
Outside it is raining. We have a very wet summer here. The cherry crops around the valley have been ruined.
But over all- all is well.
In some ways I have rough edges, still. I have mellowed with age- somewhat.
There is not much, in this world- that would shock or surprise me!
I noticed that I am becoming (as I get older) a bit more seasoned or patient.
Like you, I've seen a thing or two and am grateful that all of what I've seen and
been through has made a better person of me, I have Al-Anon and MIP to thank
for that! I have always, from childhood, had a very strong sense of social justice.
Remember in grade school getting into trouble and being sent to the principals
office for sticking up for fellow classmates if I thought the teacher was picking on
them. So, my rough edges have smoothed over a bit, but I doubt that they will
ever go away!
I will always fight for the truth, whether for me or someone who needs it.
I feel relaxed and at home here on MIP as well. Nice topic!!
I do kinda struggle with how much I should share though. I'm not really sure what's considered "appropriate".
Sunny- I think all of us wonder what the rights and wrongs are around here. I may not have pinned up a personal share here, three or four years ago. But I do now.
...
It went well... the member is fairly new. Instead of holding hands at the end I help my hands up at right angles to my wrist
and we made contact that way- just a slightly better boundary...
...
Loved all the sharings, I, too, always stood up for myself, and others that couldn't stand up for themselves, which got me into an awful lot of trouble, still does at times. That was such a huge part of me being me, from an early age from childhood, I had to, it was for my survival.
This program means the world to me, also, the people that I have met through it. I use to say to others, when I did have meetings to go to. It is not only what you hear in meetings, and to be blessed with the meetings themselves, that counts, it is what you do with it after that. I also, heard that Real Recovery starts, when you take it out in life, and live it.
This program, and the people in it, is the glue that puts/keeps me together.
Love Wendy P.
A SAD DAY...
... I have been tinkering with the akronym JADE.
[For me an akronym is an acronym which is related to recovery; Akron being the birthplace of the grand-daddy of 'em all, AA.]
I believe in humility- not humiliation... being sober in thought and spirit and feeling...
I don't need to justify this- but I do need to share to keep the focus on myself.
Being involved with a tiny f2f group- with an incoming member.
My dream last year was to somehow complete Step 12 and focus on Tradition 5.
I wasn't expecting bells and whistles from my higher power- but I needed some sign that I was doing the right thing.
I work mostly steps 10,11,12 these days.
And I will alway be able to do a Step One for newcomers.
One of our pets died yesterday. It was a bit of a shock. He had died sleeping on the couch- during the afternoon and my SO found him there when she got home from work. He had been sick the previous week, but seemed to be rallying.
For me at least I was at home when this happened. It was a sad time of passing.
My first meeting of Alanon, 38 years ago we talked about feelings.
I learned about grieving from our mana whenua, our local people. Who had healthy grieving rituals.
Any way i had to take time to let the whole thing sink in. To get back into the back yard and dig a grave.
and both my SO and I wept over the grave, together.
For me this is the miracle of recovery- to mark this rite of passage.
Thanks for this extra share.
I most definitely know how that feels, I am tearing up as I write to you in empathy.
I take heart that this rite of passage was a miracle of recovery for you. {{HUGS}}
Hugs